11-25-2017, 12:00 AM
Le_Regard wrote:
I mean who would intend specifically to be ignorant?
FWIW in Plato's allegory of The Cave (which is in The Republic, by the way) explains that people are chained down in a cave with their heads pointed at a wall, and they don't even know their heads are pointed at a wall because they can't remember their heads ever moving before and the wall is just what they see. And they see the shadows of things and they mistake them for real things.
But SOMETIMES something happens and one rare and special guy called a philosopher gets out of his chains and realizes what's going on and just LEAVES the cave and sees real things, in particular, the Sun, for the first time, and immediately goes crazy. After a concerted effort, if he doesn't just freak out and chain himself back down and pretend it never happened, his eyes grow accustomed to the light and he can see things clearly and distinctly, and then the question becomes: Does he return to the Cave and help free others?
The traditional answer is yes and no, because he wants to, but if he tried they might in their ignorance try to murder their own liberator.
But as I was saying, there is NO EXPLANATION offered for how they all got chained up there in the first place. No explanation at all.
We can maybe infer however that because the Allegory of the Cave is in Plato's Republic there is a cryptic political meaning, and they were locked up in chains by a tyrant of some kind, by some kind of unjust political regime.
So all of this together would definitely indicate that not only can WILL, as PERSONAL INTENT, be used unskilfully, it can also be used UNJUSTLY.
I really like what you touched on here. I certainly see the moral responsibility to the issue at play, but there's a risk factor too. Many don't want to see the sun. They desire it, like freedom, but when faced with it can become overwhelmed. There's a deep sadness too, in the realization that we were born slaves. Chained. Facing the sun can be like facing our own ignorance. Many choose not to as it's excruciating. They often return to the cave to slip their shackle around their neck.
Many attack those who are trying to help free them. It's fucking awful. It takes a real a$$hole to put up with them after being bit and covered in a fresh layer of scars. Eventually, one learns a gentler approach. Until they're bit, then all bets are off and people get forcibly removed.
It's a lot to consider, certainly.
I mean who would intend specifically to be ignorant?
FWIW in Plato's allegory of The Cave (which is in The Republic, by the way) explains that people are chained down in a cave with their heads pointed at a wall, and they don't even know their heads are pointed at a wall because they can't remember their heads ever moving before and the wall is just what they see. And they see the shadows of things and they mistake them for real things.
But SOMETIMES something happens and one rare and special guy called a philosopher gets out of his chains and realizes what's going on and just LEAVES the cave and sees real things, in particular, the Sun, for the first time, and immediately goes crazy. After a concerted effort, if he doesn't just freak out and chain himself back down and pretend it never happened, his eyes grow accustomed to the light and he can see things clearly and distinctly, and then the question becomes: Does he return to the Cave and help free others?
The traditional answer is yes and no, because he wants to, but if he tried they might in their ignorance try to murder their own liberator.
But as I was saying, there is NO EXPLANATION offered for how they all got chained up there in the first place. No explanation at all.
We can maybe infer however that because the Allegory of the Cave is in Plato's Republic there is a cryptic political meaning, and they were locked up in chains by a tyrant of some kind, by some kind of unjust political regime.
So all of this together would definitely indicate that not only can WILL, as PERSONAL INTENT, be used unskilfully, it can also be used UNJUSTLY.
I really like what you touched on here. I certainly see the moral responsibility to the issue at play, but there's a risk factor too. Many don't want to see the sun. They desire it, like freedom, but when faced with it can become overwhelmed. There's a deep sadness too, in the realization that we were born slaves. Chained. Facing the sun can be like facing our own ignorance. Many choose not to as it's excruciating. They often return to the cave to slip their shackle around their neck.
Many attack those who are trying to help free them. It's fucking awful. It takes a real a$$hole to put up with them after being bit and covered in a fresh layer of scars. Eventually, one learns a gentler approach. Until they're bit, then all bets are off and people get forcibly removed.
It's a lot to consider, certainly.