05-02-2011, 12:00 AM
Bob May wrote:
Jesus said to the Pharisees on a certain occasion, that if his disciples would hold their peace the very rocks would immediately cry out.
Our pastor today asked us if we had any" Pharisaical" tendency hidden in our hearts.
He saw in the raven, who neither sowed nor reaped, yet was provided for by God, the perfect illustration of God's Grace. God's Grace which was hidden from their view because of human habit of looking at the do's and don't of the law while missing the weightier matters such as justice and mercy.
He saw it as a sign when his disciples told him a couple of Greeks had asked to speak with him. He knew the time had come for the Crucifixion.
If we are told to "follow him," that, of necessity, means we are to see things the way he saw them.
The greatest revelation in the bible is coming to an awareness of Grace. I know there are those on this forum who have.
Next we hold on to that for the rest of our lives, studying to show ourselves approved. Not seeking God's approval but to show ourselves approved. That is the reason for study. To become established in Grace. So that it is completely unshakeable. Because if we are not Established in Grace doubt enters as to our worthiness.
But their is another step. What do we do after an awareness of Grace?
I am beginning to see that it is that we are to come to a full realisation of what it means to be Sons of God.
Here we are beginning to move from the third level of Allegory, into the forth level of God actually speaking to us. This does not mean you forget either the Allegory or the Grace.
You mentioned courage. I (and a small group) were basically thrown or driven out of a church many years ago for speaking of Grace as the way to salvation rather than the law. That church was our lives. I had attended for 14 years and learned much there of "deeper" things.
But we were certain, and still are, that we were led by the Spirit to say the things we said and to finally leave. We were astounded at the amount of signs, synchronicities and Scripture we were surrounded by as we made our case and finally left. It took no courage. It was amazing to watch.
Sorry for the times as you had just mentioned above. It is at these times when Christianity would rathe be painted with one broad brush. Unfortunately, there is a spiritual jealousy that arises when one perceives the brethren has been given spiritual gifts.
I am beginning to see things a bit deeper yet, recently. My question has been how much do I share?
My answer came this morning while reading the Gospel of Thomas.
33) Jesus said, "Preach from your housetops that which you will
hear in your ear {(and) in the other ear}. For no one lights a
lamp and puts it under a bushel, nor does he put it in a hidden
place, but rather he sets it on a lampstand so that everyone who
enters and leaves will see its light."
In the commentary it was pointed out that in the ear implies hidden knowledge. I had missed this. It is true, and , in fact that is one of the meanings of the word Qabalah. From mouth to ear.
Also what I missed was that it is Jesus who lights the lamps. We are the lamps. So, what we learn from him secretly we are to share openly.
This is how it works. The Spirit which knows better than us what we need, puts a question in our ear.
The answer jumps out at us from Scripture or the world around us or both and we get confirmation of that which we needed to know. Even if we didn't know we needed it or were too stupid to ask the question.
We are one in the Spirit. We are one in the Lord.. I just wrote these same thoughts in this forum the other day. The Spirit helps everyone to be in unison.
.
The three witnesses in earth the Spirit, the Water and the Blood.
Just as Jesus, when he was here in this world, got confirmation of his sonship by the witness of the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, the three that bear record from heaven, so do we by the three that bear witness on earth.
5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1jo 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
What do we care what people think when we are hearing from God.
This is when death is orthodoxy! Discerning what is man made tradition and what comes from Spirit and truth.
1jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
The more we pay attention, the more these things happen. When leaving my old church we got so many reaffirmations that we began to refer to it as the "Flood."
I believe that is actually what it was/is. Noah's ark is an allegory for the flood of the baptism of water, which is one of three aspects of the One Baptism.
It says the fountains of the deep and the windows of heaven were opened. In another place it says,
Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Am I going back under the law??? No the tithe, 1/10 is that which returns to God. That is US. Not a monetary obligation
.
What great revelation! Remember Melchizedek! He offered wine and bread. Melchizedek was Jesus in past future time. (This was a question I had for maybe more than 8 or 9 years.)
Anyway thanks for the reply. I will write what I am finding on the three aspects of Baptism soon. I have to get ready for work now.
Bob, still working on full understanding of the three aspects of Baptism. More than with water but with FIRE to come. Baptism with the Holy flame of the Spirit and...want to understand this three fold baptism of water, blood and Spirit
Thanks Bob
Bob
Jesus said to the Pharisees on a certain occasion, that if his disciples would hold their peace the very rocks would immediately cry out.
Our pastor today asked us if we had any" Pharisaical" tendency hidden in our hearts.
He saw in the raven, who neither sowed nor reaped, yet was provided for by God, the perfect illustration of God's Grace. God's Grace which was hidden from their view because of human habit of looking at the do's and don't of the law while missing the weightier matters such as justice and mercy.
He saw it as a sign when his disciples told him a couple of Greeks had asked to speak with him. He knew the time had come for the Crucifixion.
If we are told to "follow him," that, of necessity, means we are to see things the way he saw them.
The greatest revelation in the bible is coming to an awareness of Grace. I know there are those on this forum who have.
Next we hold on to that for the rest of our lives, studying to show ourselves approved. Not seeking God's approval but to show ourselves approved. That is the reason for study. To become established in Grace. So that it is completely unshakeable. Because if we are not Established in Grace doubt enters as to our worthiness.
But their is another step. What do we do after an awareness of Grace?
I am beginning to see that it is that we are to come to a full realisation of what it means to be Sons of God.
Here we are beginning to move from the third level of Allegory, into the forth level of God actually speaking to us. This does not mean you forget either the Allegory or the Grace.
You mentioned courage. I (and a small group) were basically thrown or driven out of a church many years ago for speaking of Grace as the way to salvation rather than the law. That church was our lives. I had attended for 14 years and learned much there of "deeper" things.
But we were certain, and still are, that we were led by the Spirit to say the things we said and to finally leave. We were astounded at the amount of signs, synchronicities and Scripture we were surrounded by as we made our case and finally left. It took no courage. It was amazing to watch.
Sorry for the times as you had just mentioned above. It is at these times when Christianity would rathe be painted with one broad brush. Unfortunately, there is a spiritual jealousy that arises when one perceives the brethren has been given spiritual gifts.
I am beginning to see things a bit deeper yet, recently. My question has been how much do I share?
My answer came this morning while reading the Gospel of Thomas.
33) Jesus said, "Preach from your housetops that which you will
hear in your ear {(and) in the other ear}. For no one lights a
lamp and puts it under a bushel, nor does he put it in a hidden
place, but rather he sets it on a lampstand so that everyone who
enters and leaves will see its light."
In the commentary it was pointed out that in the ear implies hidden knowledge. I had missed this. It is true, and , in fact that is one of the meanings of the word Qabalah. From mouth to ear.
Also what I missed was that it is Jesus who lights the lamps. We are the lamps. So, what we learn from him secretly we are to share openly.
This is how it works. The Spirit which knows better than us what we need, puts a question in our ear.
The answer jumps out at us from Scripture or the world around us or both and we get confirmation of that which we needed to know. Even if we didn't know we needed it or were too stupid to ask the question.
We are one in the Spirit. We are one in the Lord.. I just wrote these same thoughts in this forum the other day. The Spirit helps everyone to be in unison.
.
The three witnesses in earth the Spirit, the Water and the Blood.
Just as Jesus, when he was here in this world, got confirmation of his sonship by the witness of the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, the three that bear record from heaven, so do we by the three that bear witness on earth.
5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1jo 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
What do we care what people think when we are hearing from God.
This is when death is orthodoxy! Discerning what is man made tradition and what comes from Spirit and truth.
1jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
The more we pay attention, the more these things happen. When leaving my old church we got so many reaffirmations that we began to refer to it as the "Flood."
I believe that is actually what it was/is. Noah's ark is an allegory for the flood of the baptism of water, which is one of three aspects of the One Baptism.
It says the fountains of the deep and the windows of heaven were opened. In another place it says,
Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Am I going back under the law??? No the tithe, 1/10 is that which returns to God. That is US. Not a monetary obligation
.
What great revelation! Remember Melchizedek! He offered wine and bread. Melchizedek was Jesus in past future time. (This was a question I had for maybe more than 8 or 9 years.)
Anyway thanks for the reply. I will write what I am finding on the three aspects of Baptism soon. I have to get ready for work now.
Bob, still working on full understanding of the three aspects of Baptism. More than with water but with FIRE to come. Baptism with the Holy flame of the Spirit and...want to understand this three fold baptism of water, blood and Spirit
Thanks Bob
Bob