05-04-2011, 12:00 AM
ninth octave wrote:
Hey Bob,
Jesus brings up in his teachings "as in the days of Noah"..also Peter speaks of in his first & second book. Trying to connect the significance of the "dove" that appears above Jesus after he has been baptized by John. Noah also waited on the ark for the "dove" to come back with green vegetation in its beak. Are these the same doves at least allegorically speaking?Each phase of the Baptism gives a hint or promise of what is to come next. They three phases or aspects of what Paul says is the "one baptism." Each are symbolised by the three "Mother Letters of the Hebrew Alphabet which are Mem for water, Aleph for air and Shin for fire. Each letter means Spirit. First attention, second attention, third attention.
Put those three letters together and they spell Fire.
Phase 1. Water, Passover
So, during the flood of Noah first a negative spiritual experience happens. The third eye is opened ( the window in the top of the Ark.) and the raven is let loose. The second attention (bird) let out of the window reflects back to us what we believe. Birds are symbolic of spirit, but which kind of spirit? Second attention can be a very negative or positive experience.We are surrounded by too many reaffirmations and knowledge of things of another description,..paranormal. This is stopping the world. It is a negative experience. Reaffirmations become constant instead of occasional. You find yourself living in two worlds at once. Very chaotic.
Passover: leaving the land of Egypt (subconscious mind, solar plexus, Yesod). Crossing the red sea is also a symbol of the water baptim. This is becoming aware there is another description of the world. The description of the world is in Yesod. Whether or not that description is an average man or a sorcerer.
Phase 2. Air, Pentecost
Then the dove (bird, air) is let loose from the ark (again the spirit of air) The second attention is reflective in nature. What we believe will come back to us. I have been through this stopping of the world more than once but it does not have to be negative if your knowledge and belief system tells you that there is something more and better to come. The dove is let loose twice and the second time it comes back with a promise (olive branch) of the third phase of baptism. ((The olive branch will later grow olives that will be crushed and the oil will be put into lamps and burned)) This is the Promises in the bible starting with the sign of the bow in the cloud (again the idea of one thing that has phases that bleed on into another) and the promise that God will not desroy us with water ever again.
This is Penecost. It may seem like Pentecost is fire because of the Tongues of flames, but that is a hint of the third aspect or phase to come.
It is the sound of the "rushing and mighty wind" that happens at Pentecost that is the sign of the phase and the three spring Festivals are Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles in that order.
Jesus goes into the water and comes up and the sign of the dove (air) is given and immediately he goes into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. A second attention experience (air). A reference to "stones speaking" is talked about in his conversation with the devil. This shows Jesus relying on his belief system and the promises and prophecies of how he fits into the picture to guard him from the lies of the devil.
The first thing Jesus does coming out of the wilderness is to go to the synagog and "find himself in scripture."
Phase 3. Fire, Tabernacles
We do this also. It is not that we do it. It happens to us. We find ourselves in scripture and realise the book was written not only to us, but for us and also about us. We are moving into the third phase here. Because even though stones speak to us, (reaffirmations from the world around us) ("".If these should hold their peace the rocks would immediately cry out") There is no benefit or guidance without the idea of Promise. Here, the second attention experiences have meaning within the context of the biblical journey from the "Fall" to becoming children if Israel to becoming children of God, then Sons of God, then "one with God"
I saw an angel. I later saw that the story of when it "wounded him in his thigh," it was a parallel in my life. I had stopped meditation because I couldn't stop the pain in my thigh whenever I tried to meditate. This is the first time I saw myself in scripture. I was doubtful, but it seemed to fit. This is the first time Jacob's name changed to Israel (Favor with God)
Years later while in waking consciousness I had the coat of many colors fall on me. This is also Jacob's Ladder which was promised to his seed (Joseph, Jesus) after him. This was the second time Jacob's name was changed to Israel (Favor with God)
Favor or Grace is the influx from above the abyss and comes down from Chokmah, Wisdom.
This same experience was promised to Nathanael the first time Jesus met him.
These are a few experiences but they are familiar stories and can be related to what I am describing here.
It took me a long time to begin to understand these experiences because there are so many connections. But these second attention experiences/visions when put into the context of Grace or Favor from God are then understood to be third attention experiences. Promises.
There were cloven tongues of fire (the Hebrew letter Yod) ascending and descending through me when the coat of many colors fell on me. Again the letter Yod comes down from the Father, Chokmah, Wisdom from above the Abyss. This is Pentecost. But the flames speak of Tabernacles.
Here the Bread offering is leavened and baked with coals.
Mt 13:33
Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened
It takes time for an understanding of these things to begin to take hold. That is because it grows inside of us in "obscurity", below the surface. Just as Jesus was called out of Egypt (the subconscious mind). Just as the leaven hid in "three measures of meal" is working invisibly within us.
Then when the stones speak (reaffirmations, sychronicities), When the leaven has done it's work, The bread is ready to be thrown into the oven.
But like Shadrach, Meshack and Abednego we are not killed because there is a forth man in the oven.
Then all of the universe is speaking of God and that we are his son's and fellow heirs with Christ.
Only this is not a description, it is Truth.
Just as Nathanael was promised the experience of Jacob's ladder so was John promised that he would be baptized with the baptism that Jesus was baptised with. Then he wrote the book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ. Who's revelation was it? John's or Jesus'.
Re 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
So just as Nathanael was promised to have the experience that Jacob/Israel had, and I later experienced it, So did John experience the revelation that Jesus had. Then he wrote about it. It is not some geopolitical thing that will happen in some undetermined far off future. It is something that happens to us because of the three phases of baptism. Not only the revealing that Christ is here, now but the revealing of who or what powers have been running this fallen world we live in. What it is that influences the people who's kingdom is "of this world."
John is "taken up" by angels to view this world from a higher perspective. Just as Noah was. Just as Carlos was from the first day he was told about reaffirmations.
The degree or extent of the experiences are just a matter of the degree or extent of description and belief.
In the Gospel of Thomas it says that ".. he is revealed in the fourteenth age." This is speaking about Jesus. So we see in the chart above the three aspects of baptism three segments of fourteen. Each reveals Christ at another level. Each level bleeds into one another as the colors of a rainbow. Or a coat of many colors. They all come from and contain the One Light. These three fourteens are the Middle pillar leading up to Kether the source at the top of the Tree.
The doves are the same. The one in Noah's ark story carries with it the olive branch which is the promise of the annointing of oil (Holy Spirit) and fire.
The one that came down on Jesus came down on the annointed one. The one who said that he had come to kindle a fire on the whole earth.
Lu 12:49
I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
Lu 12:50
But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
Mt 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mt 3:12
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Hey Bob,
Jesus brings up in his teachings "as in the days of Noah"..also Peter speaks of in his first & second book. Trying to connect the significance of the "dove" that appears above Jesus after he has been baptized by John. Noah also waited on the ark for the "dove" to come back with green vegetation in its beak. Are these the same doves at least allegorically speaking?Each phase of the Baptism gives a hint or promise of what is to come next. They three phases or aspects of what Paul says is the "one baptism." Each are symbolised by the three "Mother Letters of the Hebrew Alphabet which are Mem for water, Aleph for air and Shin for fire. Each letter means Spirit. First attention, second attention, third attention.
Put those three letters together and they spell Fire.
Phase 1. Water, Passover
So, during the flood of Noah first a negative spiritual experience happens. The third eye is opened ( the window in the top of the Ark.) and the raven is let loose. The second attention (bird) let out of the window reflects back to us what we believe. Birds are symbolic of spirit, but which kind of spirit? Second attention can be a very negative or positive experience.We are surrounded by too many reaffirmations and knowledge of things of another description,..paranormal. This is stopping the world. It is a negative experience. Reaffirmations become constant instead of occasional. You find yourself living in two worlds at once. Very chaotic.
Passover: leaving the land of Egypt (subconscious mind, solar plexus, Yesod). Crossing the red sea is also a symbol of the water baptim. This is becoming aware there is another description of the world. The description of the world is in Yesod. Whether or not that description is an average man or a sorcerer.
Phase 2. Air, Pentecost
Then the dove (bird, air) is let loose from the ark (again the spirit of air) The second attention is reflective in nature. What we believe will come back to us. I have been through this stopping of the world more than once but it does not have to be negative if your knowledge and belief system tells you that there is something more and better to come. The dove is let loose twice and the second time it comes back with a promise (olive branch) of the third phase of baptism. ((The olive branch will later grow olives that will be crushed and the oil will be put into lamps and burned)) This is the Promises in the bible starting with the sign of the bow in the cloud (again the idea of one thing that has phases that bleed on into another) and the promise that God will not desroy us with water ever again.
This is Penecost. It may seem like Pentecost is fire because of the Tongues of flames, but that is a hint of the third aspect or phase to come.
It is the sound of the "rushing and mighty wind" that happens at Pentecost that is the sign of the phase and the three spring Festivals are Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles in that order.
Jesus goes into the water and comes up and the sign of the dove (air) is given and immediately he goes into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. A second attention experience (air). A reference to "stones speaking" is talked about in his conversation with the devil. This shows Jesus relying on his belief system and the promises and prophecies of how he fits into the picture to guard him from the lies of the devil.
The first thing Jesus does coming out of the wilderness is to go to the synagog and "find himself in scripture."
Phase 3. Fire, Tabernacles
We do this also. It is not that we do it. It happens to us. We find ourselves in scripture and realise the book was written not only to us, but for us and also about us. We are moving into the third phase here. Because even though stones speak to us, (reaffirmations from the world around us) ("".If these should hold their peace the rocks would immediately cry out") There is no benefit or guidance without the idea of Promise. Here, the second attention experiences have meaning within the context of the biblical journey from the "Fall" to becoming children if Israel to becoming children of God, then Sons of God, then "one with God"
I saw an angel. I later saw that the story of when it "wounded him in his thigh," it was a parallel in my life. I had stopped meditation because I couldn't stop the pain in my thigh whenever I tried to meditate. This is the first time I saw myself in scripture. I was doubtful, but it seemed to fit. This is the first time Jacob's name changed to Israel (Favor with God)
Years later while in waking consciousness I had the coat of many colors fall on me. This is also Jacob's Ladder which was promised to his seed (Joseph, Jesus) after him. This was the second time Jacob's name was changed to Israel (Favor with God)
Favor or Grace is the influx from above the abyss and comes down from Chokmah, Wisdom.
This same experience was promised to Nathanael the first time Jesus met him.
These are a few experiences but they are familiar stories and can be related to what I am describing here.
It took me a long time to begin to understand these experiences because there are so many connections. But these second attention experiences/visions when put into the context of Grace or Favor from God are then understood to be third attention experiences. Promises.
There were cloven tongues of fire (the Hebrew letter Yod) ascending and descending through me when the coat of many colors fell on me. Again the letter Yod comes down from the Father, Chokmah, Wisdom from above the Abyss. This is Pentecost. But the flames speak of Tabernacles.
Here the Bread offering is leavened and baked with coals.
Mt 13:33
Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened
It takes time for an understanding of these things to begin to take hold. That is because it grows inside of us in "obscurity", below the surface. Just as Jesus was called out of Egypt (the subconscious mind). Just as the leaven hid in "three measures of meal" is working invisibly within us.
Then when the stones speak (reaffirmations, sychronicities), When the leaven has done it's work, The bread is ready to be thrown into the oven.
But like Shadrach, Meshack and Abednego we are not killed because there is a forth man in the oven.
Then all of the universe is speaking of God and that we are his son's and fellow heirs with Christ.
Only this is not a description, it is Truth.
Just as Nathanael was promised the experience of Jacob's ladder so was John promised that he would be baptized with the baptism that Jesus was baptised with. Then he wrote the book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ. Who's revelation was it? John's or Jesus'.
Re 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
So just as Nathanael was promised to have the experience that Jacob/Israel had, and I later experienced it, So did John experience the revelation that Jesus had. Then he wrote about it. It is not some geopolitical thing that will happen in some undetermined far off future. It is something that happens to us because of the three phases of baptism. Not only the revealing that Christ is here, now but the revealing of who or what powers have been running this fallen world we live in. What it is that influences the people who's kingdom is "of this world."
John is "taken up" by angels to view this world from a higher perspective. Just as Noah was. Just as Carlos was from the first day he was told about reaffirmations.
The degree or extent of the experiences are just a matter of the degree or extent of description and belief.
In the Gospel of Thomas it says that ".. he is revealed in the fourteenth age." This is speaking about Jesus. So we see in the chart above the three aspects of baptism three segments of fourteen. Each reveals Christ at another level. Each level bleeds into one another as the colors of a rainbow. Or a coat of many colors. They all come from and contain the One Light. These three fourteens are the Middle pillar leading up to Kether the source at the top of the Tree.
The doves are the same. The one in Noah's ark story carries with it the olive branch which is the promise of the annointing of oil (Holy Spirit) and fire.
The one that came down on Jesus came down on the annointed one. The one who said that he had come to kindle a fire on the whole earth.
Lu 12:49
I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
Lu 12:50
But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
Mt 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mt 3:12
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.