05-28-2007, 12:00 AM
seeitall your post reminds me precisely of why it is important to visit and read the NDE site and its posts.
Quote:In that belief death has no real meaning
or importance, because in fact no matter what mistake or stupidity you do, you do not die, but you win, getting
rid of physical body and finaly entering the realm of double~ seeitall
This is incorrect. According to the NDE reports, life in the physical body is all-important. Further studies I've done on after-life channeling with reports from psychics who say they channel the dead tend to corroborate that it's true. The double, or true self's occupation of a physical vessel is necessary to its advancement in a trial-by-fire arena that doesn't exist in the other realm. Physical existance is extraordinarily harrowing and has the net result of tempering the spirit for further ventures.
This falls directly in line with don Juan's statement that people's mistake is to say that enduring the rigors of the nagual tempers a warrior to deal with petty tyrants. It is in fact the other way around: enduring the rigors of dealing with petty tyrants (basically the definition of physical life if you think about it long enough) tempers the spirit to advance further in the nagual.
Descriptions are given of whole societies that exist in the after-physical phase wherein people who have advanced in spirit gather to go on to untold new horizons in awareness. One's we cannot conceive of currently.
This is why these NDEs fascinate me. They are markedly close to features of don Juan's description of sorcery. And again, who wants to cheat death to discover for oneself? This is one instance where I'm happy to have scouts see for me and give me their description.
Another uncanny similarity that NDEs report, this one nearly accross the board, is how their entire outlook on life changes, how little of what used to matter to them, matters anymore. Many report an inability to care about those things that is akin to The Place Of No Pity.
There are many other similarities. I'll browse through them as time allows.
"The Reailty Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
Quote:In that belief death has no real meaning
or importance, because in fact no matter what mistake or stupidity you do, you do not die, but you win, getting
rid of physical body and finaly entering the realm of double~ seeitall
This is incorrect. According to the NDE reports, life in the physical body is all-important. Further studies I've done on after-life channeling with reports from psychics who say they channel the dead tend to corroborate that it's true. The double, or true self's occupation of a physical vessel is necessary to its advancement in a trial-by-fire arena that doesn't exist in the other realm. Physical existance is extraordinarily harrowing and has the net result of tempering the spirit for further ventures.
This falls directly in line with don Juan's statement that people's mistake is to say that enduring the rigors of the nagual tempers a warrior to deal with petty tyrants. It is in fact the other way around: enduring the rigors of dealing with petty tyrants (basically the definition of physical life if you think about it long enough) tempers the spirit to advance further in the nagual.
Descriptions are given of whole societies that exist in the after-physical phase wherein people who have advanced in spirit gather to go on to untold new horizons in awareness. One's we cannot conceive of currently.
This is why these NDEs fascinate me. They are markedly close to features of don Juan's description of sorcery. And again, who wants to cheat death to discover for oneself? This is one instance where I'm happy to have scouts see for me and give me their description.
Another uncanny similarity that NDEs report, this one nearly accross the board, is how their entire outlook on life changes, how little of what used to matter to them, matters anymore. Many report an inability to care about those things that is akin to The Place Of No Pity.
There are many other similarities. I'll browse through them as time allows.
"The Reailty Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."