05-30-2007, 12:00 AM
Quote:but it heavily depends on how you interpret it. If I were
a christian, I would probably agree more with your interpretations then I am now.
Do you remember the story when Carlos first saw the
human matrix ? Carlos thought he encounered God, but
the don Juan explained to him it was "just a human matrix".~ seeitall
Again, you are underlying the importance of why it's important to read the NDE accounts. Because nestled in them are descriptions that the person sees what is comfortable to them to see. In other words: what they're used to in the physical realm. For some this is Jesus. For others this is God. For others still this is the radiant forms of past dead relatives; yet I feel certain that if they were to see in that realm, the relatives etc. would appear as blobs of light energy..
The forms are adopted as a way of shock prevention. And you would glean this from reading the accounts.
That realm is very much one and the same with the realm of dreamers. I feel certain of it.
As a side note about christianity and Jesus. You won't find a bigger opponent of what is known today as "christianity" than me. There were things Jesus said about the realms of the unknown in some of the lost Gnostic Gospels that come shakily close to sorcery. These things were omitted from xtianity because the powers that were back then DID NOT want the common man to have access to means of personal empowerment and the potency in his/her (ESPECIALLY "HER") personal life...so the Gospels were either destroyed in part or hidden from humanity for thousands of years. There is a passage in Magdalene's (his most favorite disciple..aka "John" for acceptance to the patriarchy)Gnostic Gospel, or Phillip's, I forget which, that talks about aspects of spirituality that were so foreign to even his other disciples that when Mary talked about them with the others, they rejected them wholly because, "those things sound foreign to us..things we've never considered before..therefore they cannot be true" There was actually a spat about them between the disciples. They actually cleaved over this issue and the ones who were in favor of ignoring what Magdalene said went on to form the backbone of what "christianity" is today.
Jesus may simply have been nothing more or less than a powerful warrior of supreme impeccability on a path with a heart...
It's important for me and others to consider that semantics and nomenclature are all things that get in the way of seeing. When I look at the Jesus phenomenon, or rather, the christian phenomenon I writhe in disgust at what they represent. When I see the Jesus phenomenon, it boils down to a simple matter: a warrior with utmost impeccability. In that sense I'm compelled to honor his accomplishments.
Just like all the others before and after him..
"Sorcery" "Christianity" etc. are just descriptions, inventories...as boring as any others. Once you become prejudiced against anything, you are hamstrung. Seeing is all that matters...well seeing and then acting of course.. "The Reailty Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
a christian, I would probably agree more with your interpretations then I am now.
Do you remember the story when Carlos first saw the
human matrix ? Carlos thought he encounered God, but
the don Juan explained to him it was "just a human matrix".~ seeitall
Again, you are underlying the importance of why it's important to read the NDE accounts. Because nestled in them are descriptions that the person sees what is comfortable to them to see. In other words: what they're used to in the physical realm. For some this is Jesus. For others this is God. For others still this is the radiant forms of past dead relatives; yet I feel certain that if they were to see in that realm, the relatives etc. would appear as blobs of light energy..
The forms are adopted as a way of shock prevention. And you would glean this from reading the accounts.
That realm is very much one and the same with the realm of dreamers. I feel certain of it.
As a side note about christianity and Jesus. You won't find a bigger opponent of what is known today as "christianity" than me. There were things Jesus said about the realms of the unknown in some of the lost Gnostic Gospels that come shakily close to sorcery. These things were omitted from xtianity because the powers that were back then DID NOT want the common man to have access to means of personal empowerment and the potency in his/her (ESPECIALLY "HER") personal life...so the Gospels were either destroyed in part or hidden from humanity for thousands of years. There is a passage in Magdalene's (his most favorite disciple..aka "John" for acceptance to the patriarchy)Gnostic Gospel, or Phillip's, I forget which, that talks about aspects of spirituality that were so foreign to even his other disciples that when Mary talked about them with the others, they rejected them wholly because, "those things sound foreign to us..things we've never considered before..therefore they cannot be true" There was actually a spat about them between the disciples. They actually cleaved over this issue and the ones who were in favor of ignoring what Magdalene said went on to form the backbone of what "christianity" is today.
Jesus may simply have been nothing more or less than a powerful warrior of supreme impeccability on a path with a heart...
It's important for me and others to consider that semantics and nomenclature are all things that get in the way of seeing. When I look at the Jesus phenomenon, or rather, the christian phenomenon I writhe in disgust at what they represent. When I see the Jesus phenomenon, it boils down to a simple matter: a warrior with utmost impeccability. In that sense I'm compelled to honor his accomplishments.
Just like all the others before and after him..
"Sorcery" "Christianity" etc. are just descriptions, inventories...as boring as any others. Once you become prejudiced against anything, you are hamstrung. Seeing is all that matters...well seeing and then acting of course.. "The Reailty Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."