07-01-2007, 12:00 AM
Exactly. And the difference between the Bible and the teachings of don Juan is that the Bible gives strict codes to adhere to. It encourages stale inventories and discourages personal freedom.
And hidden in those Old Testament codes as you call them, or Law as I do is what the New Testament calls the "perfect Law of Liberty".
Men asked for the Law and got it. Hidden within the Law is Truth. It is all in how you read it.
((That Law (the harsh OT law) was done away with at the cross. Along with the Old Covenant.
If any preacher tells you different, he is anti-Christ. Or against what Christ taught.))
If it wasn't hidden, the book would have been burned long ago by those, who over the centuries, have used the books to control the masses.
Very good research, by the way. Is that from Elaine Pagels books? She is very good at piecing together the religious/political atmosphere of the first few centuries AD.
I think you and I are not so different. I would just suggest that you don't assume that just because someone claims to be Christian that you should take them at their word. That would go for the entire Catholic church as an organization, (in my opinion), and most people I've met that make the same claims. Throw Constantine in there also.
Jesus warned of that.
Christians are about as rare as sorcerers.
It would be akin to reading the KKK's version of the teachings of Dr. Martin Luther King. Along that lines of "sincere inclusion" of actual statements of Dr. King's.
Though the books in the New Testament (which are mostly letters) were chosen and rejected, the books of the Old Testament were kept intact.
There is the problem for those who used it for their own ends.
Firstly they didn't understand it because to "see" the New Testament hidden within the Old Testament books, our eyes must be opened.
Secondly, even if they had "seen" that, they could not get rid of the books or they would have been geting rid of their supposed claim to power and exclusive connection to the Almighty.
They did the next best thing. They translated everything to Latin to keep it from the uneducated masses.
But unfortunately it and the parts of the Gnostic gospels that weren't redacted to death are all we have of this great enlightened being's teachings. Sifting through it all takes seeing. Finding the lost parts takes seeing. And seeing was given to us via don Juan.
I will agree that I "Saw" as a result of Don Juan's methods. But I have "seen" a lot more since I first stopped the world.
You say don Juan isn't helping people as Jesus does.
I didn't say that. I said Jesus teachings go furhter.
I say you're wrong.
I've heard worse said about me.
Who knows where don Juan's awareness is lodged right now?
Don Juan knows.
How do we know he wasn't dedicated to our betterment and via his legacy we will reach the abstract cores of enlightenment that many masters have taught since the dawn of time?
Why would we assume any of this? He never claimed "dedication to our betterment" that I recall.
I believe his story was that the Nagual pointed him to Carlos to teach him.
And though "seeing" has come VIA Don Juan's teachings and methods to some, it does not come FROM Don Juan.
Even Jesus did not claim as a man to be the source of his abilities, but as a recipient from the Unknowable Father via the Spirit.
But one thing he did claim was to make his abode in us. He and the Father and the Spirit.
Jesus warned of those coming in his name saying that he was Christ.
He was warning us against the wiles of religious leaders and so called Christians. I take those warnings seriously.
But he also said that his words would abide forever. Not just in the books, but all around us.
Bob
And hidden in those Old Testament codes as you call them, or Law as I do is what the New Testament calls the "perfect Law of Liberty".
Men asked for the Law and got it. Hidden within the Law is Truth. It is all in how you read it.
((That Law (the harsh OT law) was done away with at the cross. Along with the Old Covenant.
If any preacher tells you different, he is anti-Christ. Or against what Christ taught.))
If it wasn't hidden, the book would have been burned long ago by those, who over the centuries, have used the books to control the masses.
Very good research, by the way. Is that from Elaine Pagels books? She is very good at piecing together the religious/political atmosphere of the first few centuries AD.
I think you and I are not so different. I would just suggest that you don't assume that just because someone claims to be Christian that you should take them at their word. That would go for the entire Catholic church as an organization, (in my opinion), and most people I've met that make the same claims. Throw Constantine in there also.
Jesus warned of that.
Christians are about as rare as sorcerers.
It would be akin to reading the KKK's version of the teachings of Dr. Martin Luther King. Along that lines of "sincere inclusion" of actual statements of Dr. King's.
Though the books in the New Testament (which are mostly letters) were chosen and rejected, the books of the Old Testament were kept intact.
There is the problem for those who used it for their own ends.
Firstly they didn't understand it because to "see" the New Testament hidden within the Old Testament books, our eyes must be opened.
Secondly, even if they had "seen" that, they could not get rid of the books or they would have been geting rid of their supposed claim to power and exclusive connection to the Almighty.
They did the next best thing. They translated everything to Latin to keep it from the uneducated masses.
But unfortunately it and the parts of the Gnostic gospels that weren't redacted to death are all we have of this great enlightened being's teachings. Sifting through it all takes seeing. Finding the lost parts takes seeing. And seeing was given to us via don Juan.
I will agree that I "Saw" as a result of Don Juan's methods. But I have "seen" a lot more since I first stopped the world.
You say don Juan isn't helping people as Jesus does.
I didn't say that. I said Jesus teachings go furhter.
I say you're wrong.
I've heard worse said about me.
Who knows where don Juan's awareness is lodged right now?
Don Juan knows.
How do we know he wasn't dedicated to our betterment and via his legacy we will reach the abstract cores of enlightenment that many masters have taught since the dawn of time?
Why would we assume any of this? He never claimed "dedication to our betterment" that I recall.
I believe his story was that the Nagual pointed him to Carlos to teach him.
And though "seeing" has come VIA Don Juan's teachings and methods to some, it does not come FROM Don Juan.
Even Jesus did not claim as a man to be the source of his abilities, but as a recipient from the Unknowable Father via the Spirit.
But one thing he did claim was to make his abode in us. He and the Father and the Spirit.
Jesus warned of those coming in his name saying that he was Christ.
He was warning us against the wiles of religious leaders and so called Christians. I take those warnings seriously.
But he also said that his words would abide forever. Not just in the books, but all around us.
Bob