06-08-2012, 12:01 AM
Dear Quantum SHAMAN,
How many times do i need to pound it into your head that my questions are sincere? this is getting comical.
What makes you think that this thread is less or more important than the others? Ive been on this site for some time. True, i havent posted much, if at all.
But i had some questions on this one in particular. They questions that bother me for a long time. I found a thread. So what??
All i wanted to know is what justifies you to charge for these services,( and i really do not want to hear about your cars and time and money and all your ****.) HOWEVER! if that is your reason, so be it.
i have no more questions in the case! If you use it to support your life. This is the answer? good. got it.
I had no agenda with the question, but as the thread grew, my nature likes to throw wood in the fire, oops.
(Forgive me Oh Wise One, English is my second language. I think my English is lamentable, too, all things considered. Again you retort to insult me where it does not make a difference. nice try though) you can not offend me. it is not possible at all in principle. you can not limit yourself.
you have the classic worldview of
white people with a complete set of templates this worldview.
you do not have more right to a opinion about the issue (as it really is) than i have this right, i realize.
and i can not explain to you either within your worldview. this operation, is not worth the work, (even without taking into account the problems with
my english and grammar.) you are trying to get a detailed explanation about the things that
should not have a discussion in the general access, too. i think i have also crossed that line. at the same time you
show fanatic love for the templates. how should I react to this?
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Hello Gonzo!
I will try to answer your questions as best as i can.
"you have yet to voice an opinion on whether spiritual guidance ought to
be free or not."
Thank you for your question. first of all, i am very interested in your chat, if you would grant me the permission to maybe have a conversation or few sometime.
About being free or not. I think i have made it clear that i am not in agreement with charging for services. these reasons are layered, but ill keep it simple, you seem to be a man who can read between the lines as they say.
this knowledge has always been free. it was always here, and will always be here. its free now - it will be free still when the capitalists all die. it is ancient. this knowledge Wakan Tanka gave his children for free, and his children taught it to theirs, and so on.
Story time: (worth the read i promise)
""There lived the "Master of the Good Deeds in the world." Master had a
lot of Tools. Sometimes the thieves came and stole the Tools. And even
if the Master could return the Tools, the Tools would no longer work
correctly. Then the master would start throwing out these Tools and
making new Tools. Theft of Tools was not a big problem for the Master.
Sometimes thieves did something good with stolen Tools of the Creator,
and then if the Master returned back to the Tools, it worked even
better. The Tools could train cases that have been made with their
assistance. In other words, if the thieves worked of skill with the
Tools, the Master can do Good Deeds even better, when these Tools
returned.
Master was old. Master left his Tools for his Children and go out to the Great Mountain of Death.
Children wept and began lamenting to the Master. The Children kept the
Tools of Master and the memory of his good works for a sacred manner.
Children repeated the motion and the master with his Tools. These
movements were the most valuable, what was left for the Children of the
Master. And the Tools masters could remember how to do Good Deeds only.
Children of the Master could not do Good Deeds, because the world around
constantly changing and this required adjustment skills. Children of
the Master is very proud of the fact that they have the Tools of Master
and that they know how to do the correct movements of the Master. Old
movement from the dead world of yesterday could not work, because they
too were dead.
A people came to the Children of the "Master", a people who remember the
Good Deeds of Master and they looked at children of the Master, and
looked at movement of the Master. Their eyes were tears of sadness. A
People who admire came more and more. And then the Children of Master
said to these people: "Your admiration for it is very tiring for us. You
keep saying the same words. Moreover, we know that you have a stupid
thieves in your ranks who would steal our Tools and our movement . And
this is the most valuable thing we have. Get out! Give us to enjoy the
cherished memory of the Master and his Good Deeds in peace!". Many
people left in tears. Many remained in the hope that Children will
forgive them. Many stupid thieves stole Tools to and sell to others the
memory of the Good Deeds of the Master.
The soul of World dying slowly without the Good Deeds. And then, some
thieves realized that they must restore the production of the Good Deeds
at all cost. Despite the fact that they will be cursed children of the
Master.""
Because it will most likely be argued. Yes we have needs in modern society. Electricity, food (ha ha ha) transportation, bills...however this is conditional. We have to face the music and just work a damn job. that is part of the condition of humanity right now, and should be thankful for to give you those things we "need". Again, there is an example of what Wakan Tanka gives us. we are simple provided for. Work of Wakan Tanka is not just "some job" you can pull money in with. it is sacred knowledge, with a specific motive- and should not involve self interest. to abuse it, "in my opinion", is bad and a sickness.
You have implied it ought to be free, and you have
implied you are in a position to provide guidance
i would like to talk more about this in a private message, if that is okay.
Songbird has
answered sufficiently in my opinion. What of you? Or is it your intent
merely to engage in combat with QS?
I agree. I realized that i had gotten my answer on the first post, it was my hope and maybes that made me keep prodding until it bled.
I will admit my combat with QS is not in my best interest. because i already know where it goes too. i wish it were just my opinion.
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How many times do i need to pound it into your head that my questions are sincere? this is getting comical.
What makes you think that this thread is less or more important than the others? Ive been on this site for some time. True, i havent posted much, if at all.
But i had some questions on this one in particular. They questions that bother me for a long time. I found a thread. So what??
All i wanted to know is what justifies you to charge for these services,( and i really do not want to hear about your cars and time and money and all your ****.) HOWEVER! if that is your reason, so be it.
i have no more questions in the case! If you use it to support your life. This is the answer? good. got it.
I had no agenda with the question, but as the thread grew, my nature likes to throw wood in the fire, oops.
(Forgive me Oh Wise One, English is my second language. I think my English is lamentable, too, all things considered. Again you retort to insult me where it does not make a difference. nice try though) you can not offend me. it is not possible at all in principle. you can not limit yourself.
you have the classic worldview of
white people with a complete set of templates this worldview.
you do not have more right to a opinion about the issue (as it really is) than i have this right, i realize.
and i can not explain to you either within your worldview. this operation, is not worth the work, (even without taking into account the problems with
my english and grammar.) you are trying to get a detailed explanation about the things that
should not have a discussion in the general access, too. i think i have also crossed that line. at the same time you
show fanatic love for the templates. how should I react to this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hello Gonzo!
I will try to answer your questions as best as i can.
"you have yet to voice an opinion on whether spiritual guidance ought to
be free or not."
Thank you for your question. first of all, i am very interested in your chat, if you would grant me the permission to maybe have a conversation or few sometime.
About being free or not. I think i have made it clear that i am not in agreement with charging for services. these reasons are layered, but ill keep it simple, you seem to be a man who can read between the lines as they say.
this knowledge has always been free. it was always here, and will always be here. its free now - it will be free still when the capitalists all die. it is ancient. this knowledge Wakan Tanka gave his children for free, and his children taught it to theirs, and so on.
Story time: (worth the read i promise)
""There lived the "Master of the Good Deeds in the world." Master had a
lot of Tools. Sometimes the thieves came and stole the Tools. And even
if the Master could return the Tools, the Tools would no longer work
correctly. Then the master would start throwing out these Tools and
making new Tools. Theft of Tools was not a big problem for the Master.
Sometimes thieves did something good with stolen Tools of the Creator,
and then if the Master returned back to the Tools, it worked even
better. The Tools could train cases that have been made with their
assistance. In other words, if the thieves worked of skill with the
Tools, the Master can do Good Deeds even better, when these Tools
returned.
Master was old. Master left his Tools for his Children and go out to the Great Mountain of Death.
Children wept and began lamenting to the Master. The Children kept the
Tools of Master and the memory of his good works for a sacred manner.
Children repeated the motion and the master with his Tools. These
movements were the most valuable, what was left for the Children of the
Master. And the Tools masters could remember how to do Good Deeds only.
Children of the Master could not do Good Deeds, because the world around
constantly changing and this required adjustment skills. Children of
the Master is very proud of the fact that they have the Tools of Master
and that they know how to do the correct movements of the Master. Old
movement from the dead world of yesterday could not work, because they
too were dead.
A people came to the Children of the "Master", a people who remember the
Good Deeds of Master and they looked at children of the Master, and
looked at movement of the Master. Their eyes were tears of sadness. A
People who admire came more and more. And then the Children of Master
said to these people: "Your admiration for it is very tiring for us. You
keep saying the same words. Moreover, we know that you have a stupid
thieves in your ranks who would steal our Tools and our movement . And
this is the most valuable thing we have. Get out! Give us to enjoy the
cherished memory of the Master and his Good Deeds in peace!". Many
people left in tears. Many remained in the hope that Children will
forgive them. Many stupid thieves stole Tools to and sell to others the
memory of the Good Deeds of the Master.
The soul of World dying slowly without the Good Deeds. And then, some
thieves realized that they must restore the production of the Good Deeds
at all cost. Despite the fact that they will be cursed children of the
Master.""
Because it will most likely be argued. Yes we have needs in modern society. Electricity, food (ha ha ha) transportation, bills...however this is conditional. We have to face the music and just work a damn job. that is part of the condition of humanity right now, and should be thankful for to give you those things we "need". Again, there is an example of what Wakan Tanka gives us. we are simple provided for. Work of Wakan Tanka is not just "some job" you can pull money in with. it is sacred knowledge, with a specific motive- and should not involve self interest. to abuse it, "in my opinion", is bad and a sickness.
You have implied it ought to be free, and you have
implied you are in a position to provide guidance
i would like to talk more about this in a private message, if that is okay.
Songbird has
answered sufficiently in my opinion. What of you? Or is it your intent
merely to engage in combat with QS?
I agree. I realized that i had gotten my answer on the first post, it was my hope and maybes that made me keep prodding until it bled.
I will admit my combat with QS is not in my best interest. because i already know where it goes too. i wish it were just my opinion.
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