10-08-2010, 12:00 AM
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"That's a lot of questions SHM". It was. Wasn't the Intent to bury you or anyone with them, either
"The thing is I know that you already know a lot of the answers to those questions". Ah, I was rushed and just put the questions out there. Regardless of what I know or don't know, not the issue. The Intent was, further clarification, step-by-step, for those who may need it broken down a bit further. As I mentioned, what you said, IMHO, was provided in big chunks.
Here's the thing, imho of course Most who I speak to in regards to Dreaming, cannot Dream at will. If this were me, and it was at one time, I'd put everything else aside and focus on just this. How can one do anything in Dreaming if they can't reach it, or manage the Dreaming attention one has? Once again, my opinion and what worked for me.
"...so my advice for people is to find out those answers themselves". This is a re-occuring theme in your reply and I agree. Yet, if this is the case, why mention anything at all about Dreaming or anything else?
A logical answer to this would be, "well, when one does encounter this or that in Dreaming, one would then be prepared to handle the situation with prior knowledge or advice". Yet, doesn't that fly in the face of, well, just find the answers for yourself as we say?
It's circular thinking. How could one possibly know what to do if they didn't have any prior knowledge, yet, doesn't that prior knowledge tait what they will then see? If Carlos tells us Allies look like candle sticks, and we have no other information on what an Ally looks like, if one encounters a said Ally won't it look like what we've already been told it looks like, a candle stick?
What's 'real'? Does our perception create reality? Is there anything 'real' 'out there'? Is there any seperation between 'us' and 'it'? Is there an infinite amount of worlds or is it just one world, split infinitely by perception? Just a few 'thoughts' to take with us on our journey
As to the existing members of the Tenant, I've Dreamed with a group that sounds similiar. I'm not going to label them as it's really not the point. I'm in the process of transcribing the conversations we have and learning from it.
Thanks again for your reply!
SHM
P.S. - Elias, could I ask you to hop over to the unconcerned Nagual thread and reply there as well? What's your Intent for stating you're a Nagual? What do the exisiting members of the Tenant say about this?
"That's a lot of questions SHM". It was. Wasn't the Intent to bury you or anyone with them, either
"The thing is I know that you already know a lot of the answers to those questions". Ah, I was rushed and just put the questions out there. Regardless of what I know or don't know, not the issue. The Intent was, further clarification, step-by-step, for those who may need it broken down a bit further. As I mentioned, what you said, IMHO, was provided in big chunks.
Here's the thing, imho of course Most who I speak to in regards to Dreaming, cannot Dream at will. If this were me, and it was at one time, I'd put everything else aside and focus on just this. How can one do anything in Dreaming if they can't reach it, or manage the Dreaming attention one has? Once again, my opinion and what worked for me.
"...so my advice for people is to find out those answers themselves". This is a re-occuring theme in your reply and I agree. Yet, if this is the case, why mention anything at all about Dreaming or anything else?
A logical answer to this would be, "well, when one does encounter this or that in Dreaming, one would then be prepared to handle the situation with prior knowledge or advice". Yet, doesn't that fly in the face of, well, just find the answers for yourself as we say?
It's circular thinking. How could one possibly know what to do if they didn't have any prior knowledge, yet, doesn't that prior knowledge tait what they will then see? If Carlos tells us Allies look like candle sticks, and we have no other information on what an Ally looks like, if one encounters a said Ally won't it look like what we've already been told it looks like, a candle stick?
What's 'real'? Does our perception create reality? Is there anything 'real' 'out there'? Is there any seperation between 'us' and 'it'? Is there an infinite amount of worlds or is it just one world, split infinitely by perception? Just a few 'thoughts' to take with us on our journey
As to the existing members of the Tenant, I've Dreamed with a group that sounds similiar. I'm not going to label them as it's really not the point. I'm in the process of transcribing the conversations we have and learning from it.
Thanks again for your reply!
SHM
P.S. - Elias, could I ask you to hop over to the unconcerned Nagual thread and reply there as well? What's your Intent for stating you're a Nagual? What do the exisiting members of the Tenant say about this?