06-28-2017, 12:00 AM
Nagual Menagerie wrote:There's a balance. Psychopaths won't let others influence them.That's debatable. What might be most wise would be to come up with a scale of the sorts of things a person might influence one to do. Then, use that scale to see where the people you interact with most seem to fit. Also, consider what they might do to slide one way or the other on the scale. Finally, review to see how they got into that position on the scale in the first place. This is probably the best takeaway from this thread for you readers. I imagine a psychopath, (I have to imagine, not being one myself), would be unlikely to be influenced by things like love and emotional attachments, but could still be influenced by the possibility of gaining power or wealth from someone. Honesty is interesting. Honesty is given to people we respect.That may be how you use honesty but I'm not sure who the "we" is in that. Some people are very honest, some are very dishonest. I think many warrior's could find it a worthy challenge to try to be honest in all situations. It teaches a degree of tact hard to learn otherwise, as well as teaching the warrior many things about themselves, what they know and don't know, and how they judge things. The best manipulators are never honest. Is total dishonesty even possible? I don't think always being dishonest would make someone a good manipulator, let alone "the best". How people determine who is trustworthy is important too. Sure is. Few people use "most probable truth" as the determining factor in what to believe. Instead, they trust those that others say to trust, and those who re-enforce their worldview. Also, anything can be the truth when the perspective is changed. If anything is true, than some things are absolutely not true. Sometimes lying is the only way to reveal that people can be awful. It's important to demonstrate and model what a shitbag looks like. It opens the door to other possibilities. Then they ask, "Who else might be like that?" Well, we've all seen you lying and doing your demonstration of in your words a "shitbag". To me, it doesn't look like you're accomplishing anything by this. Maybe you ought to revise your strategy? Who is the "they" you're talking about?
It's a dangerous game. People should know they're playing.
Look up cult. Only cults encourage suicide.I see you learned a lot from my posting an example of a non-cult encouraging suicide. Most cult leaders are, in fact, men.Why bring that into it other than to try to make men as a whole look worse than women as a whole? Besides, most statements that include "in fact" as an aside are, in fact, poorly if at all researched by the one speaking. Have you actually looked at the numbers? Where do they come from and how did they take account of things that might skew them? How does the number of cult leaders being men compare to the number of leaders in general being men? Did you actually look at any of these things before posting that or are you just assuming and adding "in fact" to your statement to look more credible? Women do perpetuate suicide too, but men are more common and demonstrate a gender bias.I haven't researched it, but the few examples I've read about have not shown any gender bias in suicide by man-led cults. For the examples I've encountered when Jim Jones is in charge everyone drinks the kool-aid. I did see an article a few months back about cult leaders that mentioned that women who are cult leaders tend to be gender biased in whom they have commit suicide, and their targets are other women. The article said that strict dietary restrictions to the point of causing those women to starve themselves to death was the "most common" method by which women cult leaders kill other women. Cult leaders never play the fool, it's quite hilarious.Don't they? Certainly there are plenty of cult leaders, as well as people in positions of power in general, who cannot "play the fool", or let themselves look bad. But I'd think the most effective ones are able to laugh at themselves.
It's a dangerous game. People should know they're playing.
Look up cult. Only cults encourage suicide.I see you learned a lot from my posting an example of a non-cult encouraging suicide. Most cult leaders are, in fact, men.Why bring that into it other than to try to make men as a whole look worse than women as a whole? Besides, most statements that include "in fact" as an aside are, in fact, poorly if at all researched by the one speaking. Have you actually looked at the numbers? Where do they come from and how did they take account of things that might skew them? How does the number of cult leaders being men compare to the number of leaders in general being men? Did you actually look at any of these things before posting that or are you just assuming and adding "in fact" to your statement to look more credible? Women do perpetuate suicide too, but men are more common and demonstrate a gender bias.I haven't researched it, but the few examples I've read about have not shown any gender bias in suicide by man-led cults. For the examples I've encountered when Jim Jones is in charge everyone drinks the kool-aid. I did see an article a few months back about cult leaders that mentioned that women who are cult leaders tend to be gender biased in whom they have commit suicide, and their targets are other women. The article said that strict dietary restrictions to the point of causing those women to starve themselves to death was the "most common" method by which women cult leaders kill other women. Cult leaders never play the fool, it's quite hilarious.Don't they? Certainly there are plenty of cult leaders, as well as people in positions of power in general, who cannot "play the fool", or let themselves look bad. But I'd think the most effective ones are able to laugh at themselves.