05-20-2017, 12:00 AM
Kao13 wrote:Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish educational and professional opportunities for women that are equal to such opportunities for men.Feminist movements have campaigned and continue to campaign for women's rights, including the right to vote, to hold public office, to work, to earn fair wages or equal pay, to own property, to receive education, to enter contracts, to have equal rights within marriage, and to have maternity leave. Feminists have also worked to promote bodily autonomy and integrity, and to protect women and girls from rape, sexual harassment, and domestic violence.[3]
SourceThat's the definition of feminism according to feminists themselves, specifically a group that calls itself the wiki-feminists. I ran into them around 14 years ago when I tried editing the wikipedia entry for feminism by adding a bunch of qualifiers to their declarative statements. For example, I changed things like "Feminism promotes equality between the sexes" to "Feminism claims to promote equality between the sexes". I made probably 20 changes like that and within a few days all of those changes were removed. I read the change-log for the page and saw that a sizable group of people who call themselves wiki-feminists and state their purpose is to actively edit wikipedia pages to reflect a feminist viewpoint had been editing the page back, removing all the qualifiers. Oddly they did it a few at a time and claimed different reasons for all of their changes. I guess they didn't want to be as obvious as to just say "we can't include the possibility of doubt of feminist views so we must remove all qualifiers from all our claims", because it would make it harder for them to deceive themselves.
rosygyro wrote:
you do realise that patriarchy exists
You seem to have taken that as true without question. I certainly don't realize patriarchy exists. I've seen practically no evidence for the existence of any actual patriarchy ever. What we live in is closest to an oligarchy. Just because most of the visible 1% of the 1% in charge on this planet happen to be men doesn't mean they do things to benefit any other men. You have to look at what they actually do to see who benefits from their actions, such as the laws they pass, not just look at what sex they happen to be. And where there is a disparity in how well us non 1% of the top 1%ers are being treated, that disparity favors women by far. It certainly doesn't meet the definition of a patriarchy.
SourceThat's the definition of feminism according to feminists themselves, specifically a group that calls itself the wiki-feminists. I ran into them around 14 years ago when I tried editing the wikipedia entry for feminism by adding a bunch of qualifiers to their declarative statements. For example, I changed things like "Feminism promotes equality between the sexes" to "Feminism claims to promote equality between the sexes". I made probably 20 changes like that and within a few days all of those changes were removed. I read the change-log for the page and saw that a sizable group of people who call themselves wiki-feminists and state their purpose is to actively edit wikipedia pages to reflect a feminist viewpoint had been editing the page back, removing all the qualifiers. Oddly they did it a few at a time and claimed different reasons for all of their changes. I guess they didn't want to be as obvious as to just say "we can't include the possibility of doubt of feminist views so we must remove all qualifiers from all our claims", because it would make it harder for them to deceive themselves.
rosygyro wrote:
you do realise that patriarchy exists
You seem to have taken that as true without question. I certainly don't realize patriarchy exists. I've seen practically no evidence for the existence of any actual patriarchy ever. What we live in is closest to an oligarchy. Just because most of the visible 1% of the 1% in charge on this planet happen to be men doesn't mean they do things to benefit any other men. You have to look at what they actually do to see who benefits from their actions, such as the laws they pass, not just look at what sex they happen to be. And where there is a disparity in how well us non 1% of the top 1%ers are being treated, that disparity favors women by far. It certainly doesn't meet the definition of a patriarchy.