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the end never justifies the means
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(watergaze) "I totally agree.."   
 
  Huh? You seem to misunderstand shamanka.

   I agree completely with shamanka too (in her syntax).  Think carefully here:  "each moment is a beginning and middle and end in itself"

The key here hinges on the words "lack of self responsibility" (about the methods).

What is the context?  shamanka's answer- "living the path of heart"
In this thread title she is not speaking to a moral or social context which you imply.   

  To understand shamanka, know she assigns no stipulations as to what means or methods; no restrictions are insinuated.   

   "There will be an accumulation of consequences for actions that go unchecked {in conjunction with lack of self responsibility}"  Clearly, a self that lacks cognizance of responsibility assumes an illusary position, or an 'ill will,' that likely causes detrimental effects.  
   Too, this doesn't preclude that acting in conjunction with sufficient self responsibility could not disrupt others, or that such avoidance would even be a required standard.


   shamanka indicates to align your universes, your potential, and your empowerment with THE understanding articulated.  She is effectively saying: make it your intent (before all other intentions) to practice each moment in awareness of responsibility... that this is how one owns empowerment and properly aligns their own universe.



    

  ESPECIALLY- Given the nature of this forum, (whatever the methods) it is pointless (and antithetical) to judge whether or not an individual acted faithfully to his or her understood self responsibility.  

    

   Now, this matter is quite apart from the protocol of how others wish to administer the site.  That is an entirely different subject.  The work you and other moderators do is appreciated.




  (watergaze)  "...Another person should never be the judge of that - never be a judge of whether something was/will be worth it for you or not."  

      I disagree.  A very simple example:  You let go of the bicycle against your child's wishes.  The child discovers they are now riding a bicycle for the first time.  Sure, it could be the child falls.  
   If one clearly perceives an auspicious opportunity, one can (and sometimes should) be the judge for another.   Duly considering risk/reward, stalking another into an advantageous position, is more of an obligatory responsibility than a transgression.

   Shaking and breaking, huh?  {Laughter}   


"Where you choose to place your feet , Others shall follow, Watch your own step Arise from within your heart , cup held steady ,

Take your inheritance , souls purpose , Anything so easy for you , for me, natural , make now each component aware of its connection , bring union of each into whole , no longer flooded by sounds of weakness , overcome by the authentic which has come , Dust settles , sight clears for what must be done , ears hear for what belongs or not in its place to become"

(messengerpidgeon)
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the end never justifies the means - by shamanka - 11-18-2010, 12:00 AM
the end never justifies the means - by watergaze - 02-26-2017, 12:00 AM
the end never justifies the means - by Guest - 02-26-2017, 12:00 AM
the end never justifies the means - by Amy Teroczi - 03-28-2017, 12:00 AM
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