01-05-2014, 12:00 AM
watergaze wrote:Im fine with that, but please put in an experience here and there, you know for us slow folk it makes it a better read ).
Do I KNOW what the eagle is? No. Which attention have I experienced? no fucking clue . What do I care which it is, does it change my experience? eer no .
How could there be something there for me anyway? What I need is to see for myself. All this talk is getting me nowhere.
What if we all go through that... so we come to a point when looking at where we are after xyz years we realize we have yet to make the step that gets us out the reading room door. So why dont we? Because we would have to let go of the control we have so carefully tried to amass . Oh me like control, me like sense, me like how it all can be put in a neat box and shoved away. The force of the unknown is what this is about imo, thus making sense of everything does exactly the opposite and ruins it all. One needs to stand in that force, bear the pressure..
What is the use of a discussion board then? Self-stalk, inspiration, creativity.. to name a few things that pop up for me.. being around people who struggle and keep at it until one day something happens (and then they tell us about that too). And let's face it.. it is damn hard to find similarly oriented company, even on boards like this. Surrounding with similar intent others have for themselves as I have for myself. People who give reports from spots on the path I have been at, I am at or I might get to one day and then having seen that it will click for me, or not, but seeing some people work and share inspires me (ideally makes me feel bad about my lazy ass heh), helps me have a clearer focus. Or maybe Im just making that up, maybe Im just glad Im not in this **** alone . oh wait.. I am.. hahaha
P.S.
teachers who tell you youve got it all wrong are idiots, they just want you to stick around to try and find out what is right. Teachers who tell you youve got it are idiots too, they just want you to feel all is ok, calm the fury rising up. All teachers are idiots. No body is really helping any body. All they can do is watch, if they see well enough. The real deals (who are not really teachers as such) are almost silent (what concerns those things cause otherwise they are also people and thus talk too). They are around so if you need to talk to someone who listens and sees and understands and does not need to judge.. that is why they are there. To be seen, in all one's bs glory, is really something... just with that one can get a grip and move again... Actually after talking to such a person you have no clue where you are. if what you are doing is right or not. all it did is take things away and youre left with nothing trying to find your footing. They dont provide you replacement, they leave you a'hanging in the no space of no thing. Then the silly me that I am grumbles how this is really unlikable, the uncertainty is impractical, how is one to function like this even? what am i to do? 0 is not the way, 1 is not the way. what is there apart from 0 and 1? me a programmer in this metaphor. what is one to do? bear it and move further.. Let the storm rage on (The cold never bothered me anyway..)These were the points where I laughed the hardest, WG
Yeah, telling people they're both right and wrong are silly. To direct the person inward is 'teaching a man to fish' instead of giving him a fish. (It's a Chinese proverb, since WG will have no idea what I'm talking about, I've copy the full text xP 'give a man to fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.')
So yeah. I suppose what Shm could be doing is telling people to pay no attention to the gurus but it could be explained and supported with personal experiences (you know, to make it a more interesting read, lol)
Keep in mind, we are commenting on a 3 year old posting of his, I'm sure he's seen the light of love within that time. I bet he's seen past all the ego this post is filled with and recapped it
Kao
Do I KNOW what the eagle is? No. Which attention have I experienced? no fucking clue . What do I care which it is, does it change my experience? eer no .
How could there be something there for me anyway? What I need is to see for myself. All this talk is getting me nowhere.
What if we all go through that... so we come to a point when looking at where we are after xyz years we realize we have yet to make the step that gets us out the reading room door. So why dont we? Because we would have to let go of the control we have so carefully tried to amass . Oh me like control, me like sense, me like how it all can be put in a neat box and shoved away. The force of the unknown is what this is about imo, thus making sense of everything does exactly the opposite and ruins it all. One needs to stand in that force, bear the pressure..
What is the use of a discussion board then? Self-stalk, inspiration, creativity.. to name a few things that pop up for me.. being around people who struggle and keep at it until one day something happens (and then they tell us about that too). And let's face it.. it is damn hard to find similarly oriented company, even on boards like this. Surrounding with similar intent others have for themselves as I have for myself. People who give reports from spots on the path I have been at, I am at or I might get to one day and then having seen that it will click for me, or not, but seeing some people work and share inspires me (ideally makes me feel bad about my lazy ass heh), helps me have a clearer focus. Or maybe Im just making that up, maybe Im just glad Im not in this **** alone . oh wait.. I am.. hahaha
P.S.
teachers who tell you youve got it all wrong are idiots, they just want you to stick around to try and find out what is right. Teachers who tell you youve got it are idiots too, they just want you to feel all is ok, calm the fury rising up. All teachers are idiots. No body is really helping any body. All they can do is watch, if they see well enough. The real deals (who are not really teachers as such) are almost silent (what concerns those things cause otherwise they are also people and thus talk too). They are around so if you need to talk to someone who listens and sees and understands and does not need to judge.. that is why they are there. To be seen, in all one's bs glory, is really something... just with that one can get a grip and move again... Actually after talking to such a person you have no clue where you are. if what you are doing is right or not. all it did is take things away and youre left with nothing trying to find your footing. They dont provide you replacement, they leave you a'hanging in the no space of no thing. Then the silly me that I am grumbles how this is really unlikable, the uncertainty is impractical, how is one to function like this even? what am i to do? 0 is not the way, 1 is not the way. what is there apart from 0 and 1? me a programmer in this metaphor. what is one to do? bear it and move further.. Let the storm rage on (The cold never bothered me anyway..)These were the points where I laughed the hardest, WG
Yeah, telling people they're both right and wrong are silly. To direct the person inward is 'teaching a man to fish' instead of giving him a fish. (It's a Chinese proverb, since WG will have no idea what I'm talking about, I've copy the full text xP 'give a man to fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.')
So yeah. I suppose what Shm could be doing is telling people to pay no attention to the gurus but it could be explained and supported with personal experiences (you know, to make it a more interesting read, lol)
Keep in mind, we are commenting on a 3 year old posting of his, I'm sure he's seen the light of love within that time. I bet he's seen past all the ego this post is filled with and recapped it
Kao