01-05-2014, 12:00 AM
Kao wrote:These were the points where I laughed the hardest, WG youre welcome
Kao wrote:Yeah, telling people they're both right and wrong are silly. To direct the person inward is 'teaching a man to fish' instead of giving him a fish. (It's a Chinese proverb, since WG will have no idea what I'm talking about, I've copy the full text xP 'give a man to fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.')I actually knew that proverb (imagine that hehe), didnt know it was Chinese though .
One can never say it all. Even as I was writing I was clearly aware of the impreciseness of some parts of my post. But one writes out what one finds relevant for what one is trying to say. Here for example with the teachers saying one is wrong or saying one has got it... in general that is how it is. When that is the teacher's method as methods go. So if the student is told they are doing fine when they are just deluding themselves into a bigger pile of poop it surely is very unhelpful to calm their sense of that happening. But at times when I am told Im doing ok or fine in doing whatever I am doing I get even more fury rising up, which is because I dont think Im doing ok or fine and so hearing that is just frustrating and unhelpful. I want to hear something that will help me along, not that Im doing fine when I was asking how to do better or different (as it dont seem to be doing the trick heh that is what trick I imagined it should be doing ) . Used to frustrate the hell out of me..
When I seek help and Im told my state is good (which obviously I think its not or Id not have asked) it first totally shuts me up inside. I ask what to do about X and hearing that X is perfectly fine to have or do I am like 'oh' (does not compute). Then later (once that shock subsides) I think about it a bit and realize I have not only not found out anything but got sidetracked again in my purpose to find a suitable solution to my eer discomfort
(in this sense the person I asked for guidance did the 'right' thing, i'd say, cause she did not help me find a way out of my discomfort, didnt give me a way to fall back asleep.)
Another thing I also did not go into is how helpful it is to work on one's words - vocabulary system etc. That would go into a different type of post, not here.
Kao wrote:So yeah. I suppose what Shm could be doing is telling people to pay no attention to the gurus but it could be explained and supported with personal experiences (you know, to make it a more interesting read, lol)
Keep in mind, we are commenting on a 3 year old posting of his, I'm sure he's seen the light of love within that time. I bet he's seen past all the ego this post is filled with and recapped it Maybe only SHM knows what he is saying in that post . He is probably saying the guru thing somewhere in a post. I am not talking about what SHM is trying to say, but what the post talks to me about. Im talking about my observations on things I see mentioned in his post and then things that connected in the flow of me writing my post.
And whether or not he is now at the same spot or not is irrelevant. The post is now its own reality. Like we do not interpret a book based on author's life (though that is surely an approach many like to take, just as with posts here. I like to take another approach. Even in lit.criticism the analysing of a work based on the life analysis of the author thing is outdated. Though surely it is a layer that can be interesting to look at in order to see some things foregrounded and put together etc.).
Having read this post some years back when I was going through the threads on this board as a new comer, having read it somewhere in the middle of last year and having read it a few days back I also see some sort of difference in me, as I'd have given replies focusing on different aspects had I replied those other 2 times as well.
This is one of two types of posts that I like to read, the second type is a report of an experience (like recently seesaw's tree post). Both types of posts give a postcard to me , I see them as (foot)prints of certain states and/or realizations on the way.
edit: and SHM is giving his experience here. He talks about his experience from marketing and the syntax group etc and links it to things..
Kao wrote:Yeah, telling people they're both right and wrong are silly. To direct the person inward is 'teaching a man to fish' instead of giving him a fish. (It's a Chinese proverb, since WG will have no idea what I'm talking about, I've copy the full text xP 'give a man to fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime.')I actually knew that proverb (imagine that hehe), didnt know it was Chinese though .
One can never say it all. Even as I was writing I was clearly aware of the impreciseness of some parts of my post. But one writes out what one finds relevant for what one is trying to say. Here for example with the teachers saying one is wrong or saying one has got it... in general that is how it is. When that is the teacher's method as methods go. So if the student is told they are doing fine when they are just deluding themselves into a bigger pile of poop it surely is very unhelpful to calm their sense of that happening. But at times when I am told Im doing ok or fine in doing whatever I am doing I get even more fury rising up, which is because I dont think Im doing ok or fine and so hearing that is just frustrating and unhelpful. I want to hear something that will help me along, not that Im doing fine when I was asking how to do better or different (as it dont seem to be doing the trick heh that is what trick I imagined it should be doing ) . Used to frustrate the hell out of me..
When I seek help and Im told my state is good (which obviously I think its not or Id not have asked) it first totally shuts me up inside. I ask what to do about X and hearing that X is perfectly fine to have or do I am like 'oh' (does not compute). Then later (once that shock subsides) I think about it a bit and realize I have not only not found out anything but got sidetracked again in my purpose to find a suitable solution to my eer discomfort
(in this sense the person I asked for guidance did the 'right' thing, i'd say, cause she did not help me find a way out of my discomfort, didnt give me a way to fall back asleep.)
Another thing I also did not go into is how helpful it is to work on one's words - vocabulary system etc. That would go into a different type of post, not here.
Kao wrote:So yeah. I suppose what Shm could be doing is telling people to pay no attention to the gurus but it could be explained and supported with personal experiences (you know, to make it a more interesting read, lol)
Keep in mind, we are commenting on a 3 year old posting of his, I'm sure he's seen the light of love within that time. I bet he's seen past all the ego this post is filled with and recapped it Maybe only SHM knows what he is saying in that post . He is probably saying the guru thing somewhere in a post. I am not talking about what SHM is trying to say, but what the post talks to me about. Im talking about my observations on things I see mentioned in his post and then things that connected in the flow of me writing my post.
And whether or not he is now at the same spot or not is irrelevant. The post is now its own reality. Like we do not interpret a book based on author's life (though that is surely an approach many like to take, just as with posts here. I like to take another approach. Even in lit.criticism the analysing of a work based on the life analysis of the author thing is outdated. Though surely it is a layer that can be interesting to look at in order to see some things foregrounded and put together etc.).
Having read this post some years back when I was going through the threads on this board as a new comer, having read it somewhere in the middle of last year and having read it a few days back I also see some sort of difference in me, as I'd have given replies focusing on different aspects had I replied those other 2 times as well.
This is one of two types of posts that I like to read, the second type is a report of an experience (like recently seesaw's tree post). Both types of posts give a postcard to me , I see them as (foot)prints of certain states and/or realizations on the way.
edit: and SHM is giving his experience here. He talks about his experience from marketing and the syntax group etc and links it to things..