12-12-2013, 12:00 AM
Thanks for your reply SHM. Just some thoughts about what you posted, although vague in a sense as to whether you're really addressing me, I'll reply as such ...
AF: “Yet, in working through the
path, (for others too ... whatever path you're on), I think one needs to
experience all of these different "alternatives". Inside each,
as I've experienced, are ... let's call them jewels, or treasures of
hidden wisdom ... Knowledge.”
SHM: This is the common approach and
doesn't work for the one who wants to drop self importance. As to the
next stanza of your post, you mention the Work last, when it need be
first. If not, then ‘who’ is determining what is hidden wisdom or
knowledge or whatever? Ego and self importance. Besides, no one
comes here, there or anywhere with an empty cup. Everyone already has
enough ‘stuff’ that need be undone.
Any approach is necessary to take that first step, so a "common" approach is just fine. Does it matter where the
word “work” is placed in a post? I
think not. What really matters is
that You Actually Do
The Work,
don’t you think? Ego and self-importance are merely more pretty words of what
you label “Alternative Beliefs” … may be look to your true self … the
Hindu call it atman (again, another label, but it means true self).
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SHM: Also, the mention of jewels,
treasures, hidden wizdumb and whatever makes me shudder. It’s another
common belief. ‘There is no doctrine to be given to mankind’ and that’s
correct. Some say a teacher is needed, some say it’s just The Information
that’s needed despise who dispenses it, etc., etc. All avoidance of the
Work. All that’s needed is an honest look inward, not outward.
Everything mentioned above is all outward.
You sound so sure of what you believe. Who's avoiding the work? Me, Everyone, You? Pray tell. And how would you know who is avoiding the work, when you never really ask, SHM?
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SHM: With that said, if one chooses
recapitulation and truly digs into the self, then, perhaps, in the midst of the
Work a voracious hunger
may rise up within for further information. Yet, it’s very specific to
the one doing it, searching for another piece of ammunition to reload and to
keep on slaying the self, not to build another belief system upon.
I agree, recapitulation
must be done, as this is part of the “work”. Again, You Have To Actually Do The Work. But rather than, as you say, “slay the
self” … I see it more in terms of balancing the self. By freeing lines of conflict with self, you actually remove
the weight and are open to rebuilding …
the building of unity … one, not two.
Clearing your muddled lens … to a crystal
clear lens. Is this easy? Of course not ... it's a torturous process.
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AF: “Pieces of a puzzle, My puzzle,
which allowed me to dismantle to nothing and reconstruct "one".
It's definitely a process of experiencing all and, of course, the
Work!”
SHM: There’s no reconstructing until the Work is done, and I hedge
at even labeling it reconstructing. It’s also a puzzle with just one
piece. You mention that it’s a process of experiencing all, and that’s
correct within the right frame of reference and context. ‘All’ is YOU,
subjectively. Inward, not outward.
This is where you may be a
bit confused. Tearing down,
balance, and rebuilding with that same balance always is mind, consists of many
different puzzle pieces. Knowledge
and experience aren’t a huge “download” infused … pieces come, day by day,
month by month, and year by year … this is what most on the path (any path of
freedom) call
Experience … again, requiring that You Actually
Do The Work. Pieces are picked up, and they either fit, or you discard them, and they are different for each individual.
___________________________________
SHM: ‘All’ is I-Am/Consciousness.
When you understand this,
you will understand everything.
___________________________________
SHM: Consciousness is the union of
perceiver-perception-perceived. The three and one, no one parts stands
alone. Without a perceiver, there can be no perception and nothing can be
perceived. Without perception, nothing is perceived, so there is no
perceiver. Without the perceived, there is no perception and no
perceiver. All three must exist to together to exist at all. They
are one, not three, and the one thing they are is consciousness.
This sounds more like a
"belief", and a bit narrow-minded … maybe go back to the “I Am” concept in your post. This is where you might See the One. Perception is a cerebral function,
which relies on tonal observations.
The One exists in All, not only in mere perception. Perception is … let’s call it the “middle-man” … in the flow of consciousness.
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SHM: This is important to anyone who
recaps because it’s a ‘cleansing’ or a wiping clear the filter (as in the post
from yesterday.) Strip self of ego and self importance, the perceiver,
and the perceived becomes clear.
Get clear, first, then if one wants
to circle back around and look for gems, jewels, wisdom or whatever,
great. That’s up to the predilection of the individual.
Again, you're replying to me, so how would you know what I've "cleared", when you haven’t even asked, SHM?
Your cookie-cutter post are perfect to begin a thread, but when you reply without having
done any investigating first (yes, that’s part of the work too, my love. :-) ), it does come off as a little abrasive ... just sayin'
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This is from your post: http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/4634/The- ... -Castaneda
SHM: “Don Juan said that his
benefactor drilled him daily in the four moods of stalking and insisted that
don Juan understand that ruthlessness should not be harshness, cunning should
not be cruelty, patience should not be negligence, and sweetness should not be
foolishness.” Excellent words to remember when posting, imo, of course.
AF: “Yet, in working through the
path, (for others too ... whatever path you're on), I think one needs to
experience all of these different "alternatives". Inside each,
as I've experienced, are ... let's call them jewels, or treasures of
hidden wisdom ... Knowledge.”
SHM: This is the common approach and
doesn't work for the one who wants to drop self importance. As to the
next stanza of your post, you mention the Work last, when it need be
first. If not, then ‘who’ is determining what is hidden wisdom or
knowledge or whatever? Ego and self importance. Besides, no one
comes here, there or anywhere with an empty cup. Everyone already has
enough ‘stuff’ that need be undone.
Any approach is necessary to take that first step, so a "common" approach is just fine. Does it matter where the
word “work” is placed in a post? I
think not. What really matters is
that You Actually Do
The Work,
don’t you think? Ego and self-importance are merely more pretty words of what
you label “Alternative Beliefs” … may be look to your true self … the
Hindu call it atman (again, another label, but it means true self).
___________________________________
SHM: Also, the mention of jewels,
treasures, hidden wizdumb and whatever makes me shudder. It’s another
common belief. ‘There is no doctrine to be given to mankind’ and that’s
correct. Some say a teacher is needed, some say it’s just The Information
that’s needed despise who dispenses it, etc., etc. All avoidance of the
Work. All that’s needed is an honest look inward, not outward.
Everything mentioned above is all outward.
You sound so sure of what you believe. Who's avoiding the work? Me, Everyone, You? Pray tell. And how would you know who is avoiding the work, when you never really ask, SHM?
___________________________________
SHM: With that said, if one chooses
recapitulation and truly digs into the self, then, perhaps, in the midst of the
Work a voracious hunger
may rise up within for further information. Yet, it’s very specific to
the one doing it, searching for another piece of ammunition to reload and to
keep on slaying the self, not to build another belief system upon.
I agree, recapitulation
must be done, as this is part of the “work”. Again, You Have To Actually Do The Work. But rather than, as you say, “slay the
self” … I see it more in terms of balancing the self. By freeing lines of conflict with self, you actually remove
the weight and are open to rebuilding …
the building of unity … one, not two.
Clearing your muddled lens … to a crystal
clear lens. Is this easy? Of course not ... it's a torturous process.
__________________________________
AF: “Pieces of a puzzle, My puzzle,
which allowed me to dismantle to nothing and reconstruct "one".
It's definitely a process of experiencing all and, of course, the
Work!”
SHM: There’s no reconstructing until the Work is done, and I hedge
at even labeling it reconstructing. It’s also a puzzle with just one
piece. You mention that it’s a process of experiencing all, and that’s
correct within the right frame of reference and context. ‘All’ is YOU,
subjectively. Inward, not outward.
This is where you may be a
bit confused. Tearing down,
balance, and rebuilding with that same balance always is mind, consists of many
different puzzle pieces. Knowledge
and experience aren’t a huge “download” infused … pieces come, day by day,
month by month, and year by year … this is what most on the path (any path of
freedom) call
Experience … again, requiring that You Actually
Do The Work. Pieces are picked up, and they either fit, or you discard them, and they are different for each individual.
___________________________________
SHM: ‘All’ is I-Am/Consciousness.
When you understand this,
you will understand everything.
___________________________________
SHM: Consciousness is the union of
perceiver-perception-perceived. The three and one, no one parts stands
alone. Without a perceiver, there can be no perception and nothing can be
perceived. Without perception, nothing is perceived, so there is no
perceiver. Without the perceived, there is no perception and no
perceiver. All three must exist to together to exist at all. They
are one, not three, and the one thing they are is consciousness.
This sounds more like a
"belief", and a bit narrow-minded … maybe go back to the “I Am” concept in your post. This is where you might See the One. Perception is a cerebral function,
which relies on tonal observations.
The One exists in All, not only in mere perception. Perception is … let’s call it the “middle-man” … in the flow of consciousness.
___________________________________
SHM: This is important to anyone who
recaps because it’s a ‘cleansing’ or a wiping clear the filter (as in the post
from yesterday.) Strip self of ego and self importance, the perceiver,
and the perceived becomes clear.
Get clear, first, then if one wants
to circle back around and look for gems, jewels, wisdom or whatever,
great. That’s up to the predilection of the individual.
Again, you're replying to me, so how would you know what I've "cleared", when you haven’t even asked, SHM?
Your cookie-cutter post are perfect to begin a thread, but when you reply without having
done any investigating first (yes, that’s part of the work too, my love. :-) ), it does come off as a little abrasive ... just sayin'
_______________________________
This is from your post: http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/4634/The- ... -Castaneda
SHM: “Don Juan said that his
benefactor drilled him daily in the four moods of stalking and insisted that
don Juan understand that ruthlessness should not be harshness, cunning should
not be cruelty, patience should not be negligence, and sweetness should not be
foolishness.” Excellent words to remember when posting, imo, of course.