03-16-2011, 12:00 AM
Nu Lang wrote:
I'm stalking people all the time, that's my point.
For example, you said..."You might be surprised how much others understand if you give the rest of us a chance."
Rest of us..you are implying that I am lumping people into a category, you are also drawing attention to a concept that its "me" against a group and thus outnumbered in opinion. These are ploys on your part to give more credence to your words and take credence off of mine. Your arena is all those observing/reading this thread. So when I stalk you, I am simply aware of your maneuvers and can stay clear of it and respond outside the controls you seek to establish with me.
In truth there is no 'rest of us' besides what you put forth in your own intent. Every person who reads here will see according to their ability and that varies widely. So I have thus stayed out of the perimeters of your limitations set forth in 'the rest of us'. If not, I might have gotten angry at your assertions (and assertions from other posts you made here), retaliated and wasted valuable energy. By not seeking retaliation in my intent, that will undoubtedly impact you as well. My intent with you has been to impart clarity. Whether or not you receive it as such is not my concern, I only put forth the intent.
Ok, this will probably be the only time I grant you an example. Just because I don't think its so useful to talk so much about what needs to rather be done in action.
So what you are really doing, and just happen to be calling stalking, is applying meaning to other people's words and actions as though you know what is behind them (didn't CC warn about clarity as the enemy?). Such as, seeing tactics and assuming that one is employing those tactics on purpose to discredit you (is that what you really saw? NL, credit is given where credit is due, I am just reminding you that until you make your case it has no merit. I get that you are operating from a belief that I and others should just give what you say merit for no reason other than that you said it. But, unfortunately for you, I do not just believe everything I read. Since you are the one who is postulating that what you are doing is stalking then burden is on you to make the case that it is). It sounds to me like your view that I am trying to discredit you is born of some fear that what you are saying may not in fact be credible and projecting that fear onto me. But as your "stalking" includes no fact checking you would never know whether or not what you think you see is true. Indeed, it could be said that your seeing an effort against you is rooted in a general world view that people are standing against each other (rather than a world view that people are trying to understand each other). So, rather than me being against you, it is really you against me...for having choosen that world view that pits (in your mind) me against you. I think that your "stalking" could work if it ever leads you to the realization that you are making up what you are seeing in me and are in fact seeing something that isn't there. But your confidence in what you think you are seeing betrays you and shows quite clearly that your "stalking" is not working. Nor has what you have been doing helped me to understand this thing you are calling stalking which also demonstrates that what you are doing is not in fact working.
What you haven't done, and indeed are not doing, is listening to me and considering what I might be saying. If you were indeed in this to help others and were listening to me, then your efforts here would be engaged in helping me to understand this thing you call stalking. But rather, what you are doing is listening to your own internal voice and glorifying that by calling it stalking. What it is, if you care to look at it, is indulgence in your internal dialog and indulgence in judging which is ego and which serves only to draw a line in the sand between you and me which is indeed what you have done in believing that I am against you trying to discredit you. Worse, your choice of a world view that I am against you leads you to defensively not share what this stalking thing is and make it more difficult to understanding it. It makes me wonder what you are hiding. Again, on any level that you look at it, it doesn't appear to work.
Using the example you gave...what was your intended outcome? Helping me or protecting yourself? And, did you achieve that?
I'm stalking people all the time, that's my point.
For example, you said..."You might be surprised how much others understand if you give the rest of us a chance."
Rest of us..you are implying that I am lumping people into a category, you are also drawing attention to a concept that its "me" against a group and thus outnumbered in opinion. These are ploys on your part to give more credence to your words and take credence off of mine. Your arena is all those observing/reading this thread. So when I stalk you, I am simply aware of your maneuvers and can stay clear of it and respond outside the controls you seek to establish with me.
In truth there is no 'rest of us' besides what you put forth in your own intent. Every person who reads here will see according to their ability and that varies widely. So I have thus stayed out of the perimeters of your limitations set forth in 'the rest of us'. If not, I might have gotten angry at your assertions (and assertions from other posts you made here), retaliated and wasted valuable energy. By not seeking retaliation in my intent, that will undoubtedly impact you as well. My intent with you has been to impart clarity. Whether or not you receive it as such is not my concern, I only put forth the intent.
Ok, this will probably be the only time I grant you an example. Just because I don't think its so useful to talk so much about what needs to rather be done in action.
So what you are really doing, and just happen to be calling stalking, is applying meaning to other people's words and actions as though you know what is behind them (didn't CC warn about clarity as the enemy?). Such as, seeing tactics and assuming that one is employing those tactics on purpose to discredit you (is that what you really saw? NL, credit is given where credit is due, I am just reminding you that until you make your case it has no merit. I get that you are operating from a belief that I and others should just give what you say merit for no reason other than that you said it. But, unfortunately for you, I do not just believe everything I read. Since you are the one who is postulating that what you are doing is stalking then burden is on you to make the case that it is). It sounds to me like your view that I am trying to discredit you is born of some fear that what you are saying may not in fact be credible and projecting that fear onto me. But as your "stalking" includes no fact checking you would never know whether or not what you think you see is true. Indeed, it could be said that your seeing an effort against you is rooted in a general world view that people are standing against each other (rather than a world view that people are trying to understand each other). So, rather than me being against you, it is really you against me...for having choosen that world view that pits (in your mind) me against you. I think that your "stalking" could work if it ever leads you to the realization that you are making up what you are seeing in me and are in fact seeing something that isn't there. But your confidence in what you think you are seeing betrays you and shows quite clearly that your "stalking" is not working. Nor has what you have been doing helped me to understand this thing you are calling stalking which also demonstrates that what you are doing is not in fact working.
What you haven't done, and indeed are not doing, is listening to me and considering what I might be saying. If you were indeed in this to help others and were listening to me, then your efforts here would be engaged in helping me to understand this thing you call stalking. But rather, what you are doing is listening to your own internal voice and glorifying that by calling it stalking. What it is, if you care to look at it, is indulgence in your internal dialog and indulgence in judging which is ego and which serves only to draw a line in the sand between you and me which is indeed what you have done in believing that I am against you trying to discredit you. Worse, your choice of a world view that I am against you leads you to defensively not share what this stalking thing is and make it more difficult to understanding it. It makes me wonder what you are hiding. Again, on any level that you look at it, it doesn't appear to work.
Using the example you gave...what was your intended outcome? Helping me or protecting yourself? And, did you achieve that?