03-19-2011, 12:01 AM
Nu Lang wrote:
Castaneda stalked others as a trickster. The trickster has come up in discussion recently and its a perfect example of Julian and DJ and Carlos all of them employed deception with their apprentices to help them see that the fixed reality is in fact alterable. So this is what stalking others is and you can see that Carlos did it and documented it. Simply put, 'stalking helps to move the ap and helps one see'. Sounds like a mantra..lol.
We stalk ourselves yes, and others too. Then there is regular world stalking, that is done to move the ap to a position of control and keep one fixed. Warriors are not concerned with this and strive to abandon any ties to it.
Master stalking is when one fully knows the art and utilizes it to the fullest. You would not 'suspect' a master stalker likely, they have become so natural with it.
Just for clarification, my main point of argument in this thread & the other one is that the type of stalking employed by the "characters" in the Castaneda books occurred largely between naguals and their apprentices - meaning that there was a "relationship" between them which already had at least somewhat-clearly-defined parameters. When someone goes on the internet and starts stalking others, such as what occurred with ForestWolf, that relationship does not exist because 1) FW is certainly not a nagual by anyone's stretch of imagination; and 2) none of the folks who became her victims EVER agreed to be her apprentices. Put another way, there was no "honor" in the deal, and so to compare this kind of activity to that of a master stalker is, in my opinion, rather like elevating Hitler to the status of "a great teacher". Sure, we can learn from his mistakes, but there was no honor in his actions, no alignment with "the right way to live".
You make the comment that no one would suspect a master stalker. I agree completely. What Gonzo fails to mention in his praise of ForestWolf is that I did suspect her from day one, saw through the ruses and games, and actively made an effort to warn those whom she had targeted. Some listened. Most didn't. Point being: if she really WAS a master stalker, I never would have suspected it.
Castaneda stalked others as a trickster. The trickster has come up in discussion recently and its a perfect example of Julian and DJ and Carlos all of them employed deception with their apprentices to help them see that the fixed reality is in fact alterable. So this is what stalking others is and you can see that Carlos did it and documented it. Simply put, 'stalking helps to move the ap and helps one see'. Sounds like a mantra..lol.
We stalk ourselves yes, and others too. Then there is regular world stalking, that is done to move the ap to a position of control and keep one fixed. Warriors are not concerned with this and strive to abandon any ties to it.
Master stalking is when one fully knows the art and utilizes it to the fullest. You would not 'suspect' a master stalker likely, they have become so natural with it.
Just for clarification, my main point of argument in this thread & the other one is that the type of stalking employed by the "characters" in the Castaneda books occurred largely between naguals and their apprentices - meaning that there was a "relationship" between them which already had at least somewhat-clearly-defined parameters. When someone goes on the internet and starts stalking others, such as what occurred with ForestWolf, that relationship does not exist because 1) FW is certainly not a nagual by anyone's stretch of imagination; and 2) none of the folks who became her victims EVER agreed to be her apprentices. Put another way, there was no "honor" in the deal, and so to compare this kind of activity to that of a master stalker is, in my opinion, rather like elevating Hitler to the status of "a great teacher". Sure, we can learn from his mistakes, but there was no honor in his actions, no alignment with "the right way to live".
You make the comment that no one would suspect a master stalker. I agree completely. What Gonzo fails to mention in his praise of ForestWolf is that I did suspect her from day one, saw through the ruses and games, and actively made an effort to warn those whom she had targeted. Some listened. Most didn't. Point being: if she really WAS a master stalker, I never would have suspected it.