03-19-2011, 12:01 AM
Enchantra wrote:
Where was the impeccability?
alien you make a few good points here and I want to point out that a lot of what 'stalkers' of others do, is very closely aligned with what 'stalkers' the illegal kind do, in manner, action and excuses, and is also similar to abusers. "To help you see." "For your own good" etc. All very psychologically manipulative sentences.
Absolutely! There was no impeccability whatsoever - just a willy-nilly abuse of energy: her own, and that of others. And I totally agree that that kind of "stalking" is very much akin to the type of illegal stalking for which laws exist. When someone tells me, "It's for your own good," I always look at what THEY have to gain, or what they are attempting to take. In the case of most "stalkers" they are looking to boost their own ego and drain the energy of others. That isn't stalking - not by the Toltec definition.
I see that the question of what IS stalking keeps coming up, and Sedna asks for a real-life example. Reasonable request. Maybe one of the best examples from the Castaneda books was when Carlos took on the job of a waiter in an oscure restaurant for an extended period of time. By doing so, he was stalking something in himself - moving his assemblage point to a place of humbleness or service-to-others, trying on an "identity" that was not his normal persona.
In my own life, I am often in the position of having to go into a dangerous area of Los Angeles in association with our business. When doing so, I occasionally dress down and walk with a slight limp, even though there is nothing wrong with my leg. The "stalking" is that I then "blend in" with the local element, and am not seen as a threat. In reality, the "identity" of homeless-street-person is obviously not who I am, but putting myself in that position and assuming that mindset shifts the AP to such an extent that not only does the persona provide camouflage, it also enables me to *see* the world through entirely different eyes, learning a bit more about who I am, and who I'm not.
To me, stalking is about awareness - nothing more, nothing less. Ultimately, I believe that ALL stalking should be a matter of stalking oneself, for the simple reason that stalking others is generally just an exercise in self-importance unless some manner of apprentice/teacher relationship has been defined. People claiming to be warriors playing stalking games on the internet... that's just another role-playing game, often engaged in by those who are too cheap to buy into World of Warcraft. Heh.
Where was the impeccability?
alien you make a few good points here and I want to point out that a lot of what 'stalkers' of others do, is very closely aligned with what 'stalkers' the illegal kind do, in manner, action and excuses, and is also similar to abusers. "To help you see." "For your own good" etc. All very psychologically manipulative sentences.
Absolutely! There was no impeccability whatsoever - just a willy-nilly abuse of energy: her own, and that of others. And I totally agree that that kind of "stalking" is very much akin to the type of illegal stalking for which laws exist. When someone tells me, "It's for your own good," I always look at what THEY have to gain, or what they are attempting to take. In the case of most "stalkers" they are looking to boost their own ego and drain the energy of others. That isn't stalking - not by the Toltec definition.
I see that the question of what IS stalking keeps coming up, and Sedna asks for a real-life example. Reasonable request. Maybe one of the best examples from the Castaneda books was when Carlos took on the job of a waiter in an oscure restaurant for an extended period of time. By doing so, he was stalking something in himself - moving his assemblage point to a place of humbleness or service-to-others, trying on an "identity" that was not his normal persona.
In my own life, I am often in the position of having to go into a dangerous area of Los Angeles in association with our business. When doing so, I occasionally dress down and walk with a slight limp, even though there is nothing wrong with my leg. The "stalking" is that I then "blend in" with the local element, and am not seen as a threat. In reality, the "identity" of homeless-street-person is obviously not who I am, but putting myself in that position and assuming that mindset shifts the AP to such an extent that not only does the persona provide camouflage, it also enables me to *see* the world through entirely different eyes, learning a bit more about who I am, and who I'm not.
To me, stalking is about awareness - nothing more, nothing less. Ultimately, I believe that ALL stalking should be a matter of stalking oneself, for the simple reason that stalking others is generally just an exercise in self-importance unless some manner of apprentice/teacher relationship has been defined. People claiming to be warriors playing stalking games on the internet... that's just another role-playing game, often engaged in by those who are too cheap to buy into World of Warcraft. Heh.