03-19-2011, 12:01 AM
Enchantra wrote:
alien wrote:
I think you have it backwards. If you recall, I saw through ForestWolf from the beginning and actually told you and others what was happening. You were being stalked by that deluded egomaniac (I stand by that statement), yet you refused to acknowledge what was right in front of you, and CLEARLY visible to anyone who *sees*. That you & others were taken in by the deception is neither here nor there, but be aware that it was your CHOICE to be taken in. Don't try to elevate the tyrant to hero status because of your own inability and/or unwillingness to *see*. History speaks for itself. You were duped. Now you are simply trying to say it was due to the brilliance of the tyrant, when the reality is that it was due to the inadequacy of the "mark".
Then again, I suppose you would also say that Manson & his followers "stalked" Sharon Tate & her companions "for their own good." That kind of "reason" isn't reason at all, just madness in disguise, the kind of "logic" used by the foreign installation to justify essentially anything. If you want to believe it, that's fine by me. But when you try to put it onto others by elevating a common egomaniac to hero status, you make it necessary to point out the fatal flaws in your "logic". It's not okay. It never was. It never will be. What FW did was not in alignment with "the right way to live" - largely because the people who became her "marks" did not sign on to have her as their teacher. They were largely just ordinary folks on a discussion forum, working under the assumption that others on the forum were there to discuss Castaneda, nagualism, etc. There were no don Juans and no Carlos's. Just people. The warrior games were hers and hers alone, based on an agenda to feed her own ago. Period. End of argument. History speaks for itself.
SORCERY
You like to say no one can con an honest man. How was it, then, that you yourself were so deeply conned even AFTER I told you what was happening, and spelled it out in black and white? Where does the logic in THAT lie?
Where was the impeccability?
alien you make a few good points here and I want to point out that a lot of what 'stalkers' of others do, is very closely aligned with what 'stalkers' the illegal kind do, in manner, action and excuses, and is also similar to abusers. "To help you see." "For your own good" etc. All very psychologically manipulative sentences.
I so agree Enchantra. I have been trying, dedicatedly, for days to draw a line between these two and I just haven't been able to...I am relieved to find out that I am not the only one. Thank you.
I believe I am coming to an end on this one. I feel I have been giving this notion that stalking others could be a real technique with some use a fair shake, I have tried really hard to see it. Those who say that it is, however, have been less than forthcoming with examples to show that it is and all I can see from what has been shown and discussed so far is that stalking others is abusive at best. Even the person who claims this other person was a master it seems clear what she did didn't work and I think that is enough to conclude that it just doesn't work. Unless, of course, anyone knows of someone more masterful at it.
I want to thank everyone for their participation in helping me to understand this and make clear what was confusing me.
alien wrote:
I think you have it backwards. If you recall, I saw through ForestWolf from the beginning and actually told you and others what was happening. You were being stalked by that deluded egomaniac (I stand by that statement), yet you refused to acknowledge what was right in front of you, and CLEARLY visible to anyone who *sees*. That you & others were taken in by the deception is neither here nor there, but be aware that it was your CHOICE to be taken in. Don't try to elevate the tyrant to hero status because of your own inability and/or unwillingness to *see*. History speaks for itself. You were duped. Now you are simply trying to say it was due to the brilliance of the tyrant, when the reality is that it was due to the inadequacy of the "mark".
Then again, I suppose you would also say that Manson & his followers "stalked" Sharon Tate & her companions "for their own good." That kind of "reason" isn't reason at all, just madness in disguise, the kind of "logic" used by the foreign installation to justify essentially anything. If you want to believe it, that's fine by me. But when you try to put it onto others by elevating a common egomaniac to hero status, you make it necessary to point out the fatal flaws in your "logic". It's not okay. It never was. It never will be. What FW did was not in alignment with "the right way to live" - largely because the people who became her "marks" did not sign on to have her as their teacher. They were largely just ordinary folks on a discussion forum, working under the assumption that others on the forum were there to discuss Castaneda, nagualism, etc. There were no don Juans and no Carlos's. Just people. The warrior games were hers and hers alone, based on an agenda to feed her own ago. Period. End of argument. History speaks for itself.
SORCERY
You like to say no one can con an honest man. How was it, then, that you yourself were so deeply conned even AFTER I told you what was happening, and spelled it out in black and white? Where does the logic in THAT lie?
Where was the impeccability?
alien you make a few good points here and I want to point out that a lot of what 'stalkers' of others do, is very closely aligned with what 'stalkers' the illegal kind do, in manner, action and excuses, and is also similar to abusers. "To help you see." "For your own good" etc. All very psychologically manipulative sentences.
I so agree Enchantra. I have been trying, dedicatedly, for days to draw a line between these two and I just haven't been able to...I am relieved to find out that I am not the only one. Thank you.
I believe I am coming to an end on this one. I feel I have been giving this notion that stalking others could be a real technique with some use a fair shake, I have tried really hard to see it. Those who say that it is, however, have been less than forthcoming with examples to show that it is and all I can see from what has been shown and discussed so far is that stalking others is abusive at best. Even the person who claims this other person was a master it seems clear what she did didn't work and I think that is enough to conclude that it just doesn't work. Unless, of course, anyone knows of someone more masterful at it.
I want to thank everyone for their participation in helping me to understand this and make clear what was confusing me.