03-23-2011, 12:01 AM
Sedna wrote:
alien wrote:
Sedna wrote:
What remains missing is real life examples. I get that when you are unsure you look to CC's words, but what seems missing is any application of those words to your actual life. I am beginning to wonder if anyone here actually practices any of this stuff or if it is mental practice alone?
I think several have given real life examples, including myself. Another stalking practice I occasionally engage in is when visiting The Mother-In-Law. In my "authentic self", I find this woman to be overbearing, manipulative and essentially about as annoying as a fly up one's nose. But when I stalk that awareness in myself as it relates to dealing with her, I go in with a smile, say what she wants to hear, and nod enthusiastically when she talks about her right-wing political views and insists that we really don't need a health care plan in the US because everyone should be able to pay for it as they go. Needless to say, I share none of her views, but as a stalker I have the absolute awareness that ANYTHING I say will only be used as an attempt to twist and manipulate... so I simply agree with timing, cunning, sweetness & forebearance. *shrugs* Nothing I can say will change her views, so the stalking exercise teaches me how to lose my own self-importance quickly & efficiently. It's not about stalking her - that would be altogether pointless - it's about stalking myself and my reactions to her.
I'm not sure what kind of examples you're looking for. Stalking is a subtle art in many ways, and something we do automatically once it becomes part of our being. It is a 24/7 prospect.
That is a good example from your own life. What has been given so far is made up examples, theoreticals, and quotes when what I am seeking is examples from people's lives that they can draw the correlation between what CC said and what they are doing.
From your example, I would take stalking others to me being disengenious...and this reiterates what you described stalking could do, but it also completely backs up what you are asserting someone did that you didn't like. Also, I don't see this resulting in an AP shift for either you or your mopther-in-law so it is not clear to me that this is even stalking in the proper sense. Do you see my confusion? I mean on one hand someone give the quote about shifting AP but then no one has an example from their life that they did that shifted the AP, and also someone posts that no stalking exercise has ever resulted in their AP being shifted.
I think different stalkers have different goals. In the example I gave about about my MIL, I am not seeking to shift my AP nearly as much as I am looking to gain control over the folly which otherwise results whenever I have to spend much time around the woman. I used to visit her with dread and come home miserable. Now I just shine it on and couldn't care less if she votes Republican, Democrat or Martian. Stalking MYSELF has enabled me to realize that I wanted her to "like" me - and that is simply never going to happen, so I stopped caring one way or the other, since it's always just our own self-importance that makes us want to be likied/accepted by others.
As for being disengenuous, maybe that's how some would interpret it, but I see it more as being free of her manipulations. Put simply: she no longer has any power over me. Plus, KNOWING that she is never going to change relieves me of any sense of "obligation" to speak the truth. Someone said something in another thread about trying to talk to ordinary folks about sorcery, and my feeling on that is... why would we bother? My MIL, for example, is perfectly content with Atheism as her religion, so there's absolutely no reason to even try to discuss anything of a "spiritual" nature. Not my job. Not my problem. Toltecs have no need to proselytize. Heh. Is that being disengenuous or just detached? When someone has made it clear that they really aren't interested in what you have to say, I've found that the best way to handle them is to simply nod and smile. Doing so robs the tyrant of their power.
alien wrote:
Sedna wrote:
What remains missing is real life examples. I get that when you are unsure you look to CC's words, but what seems missing is any application of those words to your actual life. I am beginning to wonder if anyone here actually practices any of this stuff or if it is mental practice alone?
I think several have given real life examples, including myself. Another stalking practice I occasionally engage in is when visiting The Mother-In-Law. In my "authentic self", I find this woman to be overbearing, manipulative and essentially about as annoying as a fly up one's nose. But when I stalk that awareness in myself as it relates to dealing with her, I go in with a smile, say what she wants to hear, and nod enthusiastically when she talks about her right-wing political views and insists that we really don't need a health care plan in the US because everyone should be able to pay for it as they go. Needless to say, I share none of her views, but as a stalker I have the absolute awareness that ANYTHING I say will only be used as an attempt to twist and manipulate... so I simply agree with timing, cunning, sweetness & forebearance. *shrugs* Nothing I can say will change her views, so the stalking exercise teaches me how to lose my own self-importance quickly & efficiently. It's not about stalking her - that would be altogether pointless - it's about stalking myself and my reactions to her.
I'm not sure what kind of examples you're looking for. Stalking is a subtle art in many ways, and something we do automatically once it becomes part of our being. It is a 24/7 prospect.
That is a good example from your own life. What has been given so far is made up examples, theoreticals, and quotes when what I am seeking is examples from people's lives that they can draw the correlation between what CC said and what they are doing.
From your example, I would take stalking others to me being disengenious...and this reiterates what you described stalking could do, but it also completely backs up what you are asserting someone did that you didn't like. Also, I don't see this resulting in an AP shift for either you or your mopther-in-law so it is not clear to me that this is even stalking in the proper sense. Do you see my confusion? I mean on one hand someone give the quote about shifting AP but then no one has an example from their life that they did that shifted the AP, and also someone posts that no stalking exercise has ever resulted in their AP being shifted.
I think different stalkers have different goals. In the example I gave about about my MIL, I am not seeking to shift my AP nearly as much as I am looking to gain control over the folly which otherwise results whenever I have to spend much time around the woman. I used to visit her with dread and come home miserable. Now I just shine it on and couldn't care less if she votes Republican, Democrat or Martian. Stalking MYSELF has enabled me to realize that I wanted her to "like" me - and that is simply never going to happen, so I stopped caring one way or the other, since it's always just our own self-importance that makes us want to be likied/accepted by others.
As for being disengenuous, maybe that's how some would interpret it, but I see it more as being free of her manipulations. Put simply: she no longer has any power over me. Plus, KNOWING that she is never going to change relieves me of any sense of "obligation" to speak the truth. Someone said something in another thread about trying to talk to ordinary folks about sorcery, and my feeling on that is... why would we bother? My MIL, for example, is perfectly content with Atheism as her religion, so there's absolutely no reason to even try to discuss anything of a "spiritual" nature. Not my job. Not my problem. Toltecs have no need to proselytize. Heh. Is that being disengenuous or just detached? When someone has made it clear that they really aren't interested in what you have to say, I've found that the best way to handle them is to simply nod and smile. Doing so robs the tyrant of their power.