03-25-2011, 12:02 AM
Gonzo wrote:
@Sedna -
You're pushing for some good stuff, and for good reasons, imo.
We then get involved in the other topic you mentioned, that of energy, which again, no one can describe other than a perception of its effect, as in noticing the wind in the trees. In a way, the exercise of supernatural powers is the control and direction of energy, and once again, no one seems willing to describe their personal experiences directing energy.
We have then also the second purpose of stalking, that of "shifting the Assemblage Point". In a way this relates to "heightened awareness", another nebulous term, implying superior abilities. No one chooses to examine this term as well...why is it "heightened"? why not just call it "different"...why higher? And it's easily achieved in a variety of manners, and is, actually, of no benefit. Ask anyone who had taken any entheogen. True shamans had a practical use for entheogens, which had nothing to do with their own self-aggrandizement, another point missed by many, those who wish to be recognized and acknowledged as some spiritually achieved, extraordinary person.
So. In my opinion, the whole business of expanded powers, extraordinary abilities, "sorcery", and so on are essentially cons. The problem is the real goal of don Juan's teachings is far too simple and folk need to be tricked into going for it. So they are seduced into thinking about power, and being powerful, and more powerful than their peers. Eventually, perhaps, they re-read "Tales of Power" and the phrase that the goal is to reach the totality of self...NOT to be a super-powerful Nagual.Gonzo, do not be so decieved into making conclusions about energy, heightened awareness, and the directing of these just because the people around you cannot describe them. In all likelihood the people here cannot describe them because they haven't experienced them for themselves...consider that. The only way one has to describe something that they haven't experienced is in general terms and with quotes. We can talk about what elephants might be like, but once you have seen an elephant your description takes on a different quality. Consider that what is missing is that specific quality of description in what has been described so far.
One description I can give you of heightened awareness and how it differs from ordinary awareness is that it represents a difference in measuarble brain wave frequencies from beta to alpha. Almost everyone has had an episode of heightened awareness at least once in their life, and you probably have as well, when one experiences something frightening. When frightened the body releases adrenaline which causes one's brain's functioning to speed up and that is percieved by the person as time slowing down and everything is noticed in amazing detail. The other marked difference is that those moments are recorded in a different area in the brain from one's usual memories and remains extremely vivid for the rest of one's life. Once you have discerned that difference the question then becomes one of achieving that state on purpose and how one might go about doing that. A car accident props heightened awareness. It would not have been unexpected for DJ to have caused CC to nearly get in a car accident to prop his heightened awareness, however, if he had that would not have been stalking. The difference is that DJ knew what he was propping and once propped would have made full use of it and the only use of heightened awareness that DJ had was to record information in CC's brain for later use. Again, nothing like what is being described in this forum...that is nothing personal, it just isn't.
To explore whether it is a con is different than exploring whether it has any practical use in one's life. Consider the car accident in progress and how time seems to slow down for a person allowing them to make a number of small actions which they otherwise wouldn't be able to make in that split second, consider that an ability. What could one do with such an ability if they could call upon it at will? What would you do with it? One thing that could be done with it is that in each of the examples that were posted, they could have processed all the information that took days, weeks, hours, to process. That it took more time than a moment to process one can know that they were not propping heightened awareness. Another use of vivid recall is remembering grocery lists or names of everyone you meet which is great if you are in business. It is possible that it has no practical uses, but certainly developing the ability to call upon it at will is a part of our totality.
As to energy, reach out an touch someone at the airport with an imaginary finger...tap a person on their shoulder until you can get them to notice. That is your energy body. It is real and it is verifiable. However, much of what is out there is written by people who have never accessed their actual energy body in any practical way. Just because the people around you haven't accessed their energy body doesn't mean that doesn't exist.
So, go go back, locate where exactly your awareness is housed. If your complaining is more than just something you do and you are not afraid of a little work, locate your awareness.
@Sedna -
You're pushing for some good stuff, and for good reasons, imo.
We then get involved in the other topic you mentioned, that of energy, which again, no one can describe other than a perception of its effect, as in noticing the wind in the trees. In a way, the exercise of supernatural powers is the control and direction of energy, and once again, no one seems willing to describe their personal experiences directing energy.
We have then also the second purpose of stalking, that of "shifting the Assemblage Point". In a way this relates to "heightened awareness", another nebulous term, implying superior abilities. No one chooses to examine this term as well...why is it "heightened"? why not just call it "different"...why higher? And it's easily achieved in a variety of manners, and is, actually, of no benefit. Ask anyone who had taken any entheogen. True shamans had a practical use for entheogens, which had nothing to do with their own self-aggrandizement, another point missed by many, those who wish to be recognized and acknowledged as some spiritually achieved, extraordinary person.
So. In my opinion, the whole business of expanded powers, extraordinary abilities, "sorcery", and so on are essentially cons. The problem is the real goal of don Juan's teachings is far too simple and folk need to be tricked into going for it. So they are seduced into thinking about power, and being powerful, and more powerful than their peers. Eventually, perhaps, they re-read "Tales of Power" and the phrase that the goal is to reach the totality of self...NOT to be a super-powerful Nagual.Gonzo, do not be so decieved into making conclusions about energy, heightened awareness, and the directing of these just because the people around you cannot describe them. In all likelihood the people here cannot describe them because they haven't experienced them for themselves...consider that. The only way one has to describe something that they haven't experienced is in general terms and with quotes. We can talk about what elephants might be like, but once you have seen an elephant your description takes on a different quality. Consider that what is missing is that specific quality of description in what has been described so far.
One description I can give you of heightened awareness and how it differs from ordinary awareness is that it represents a difference in measuarble brain wave frequencies from beta to alpha. Almost everyone has had an episode of heightened awareness at least once in their life, and you probably have as well, when one experiences something frightening. When frightened the body releases adrenaline which causes one's brain's functioning to speed up and that is percieved by the person as time slowing down and everything is noticed in amazing detail. The other marked difference is that those moments are recorded in a different area in the brain from one's usual memories and remains extremely vivid for the rest of one's life. Once you have discerned that difference the question then becomes one of achieving that state on purpose and how one might go about doing that. A car accident props heightened awareness. It would not have been unexpected for DJ to have caused CC to nearly get in a car accident to prop his heightened awareness, however, if he had that would not have been stalking. The difference is that DJ knew what he was propping and once propped would have made full use of it and the only use of heightened awareness that DJ had was to record information in CC's brain for later use. Again, nothing like what is being described in this forum...that is nothing personal, it just isn't.
To explore whether it is a con is different than exploring whether it has any practical use in one's life. Consider the car accident in progress and how time seems to slow down for a person allowing them to make a number of small actions which they otherwise wouldn't be able to make in that split second, consider that an ability. What could one do with such an ability if they could call upon it at will? What would you do with it? One thing that could be done with it is that in each of the examples that were posted, they could have processed all the information that took days, weeks, hours, to process. That it took more time than a moment to process one can know that they were not propping heightened awareness. Another use of vivid recall is remembering grocery lists or names of everyone you meet which is great if you are in business. It is possible that it has no practical uses, but certainly developing the ability to call upon it at will is a part of our totality.
As to energy, reach out an touch someone at the airport with an imaginary finger...tap a person on their shoulder until you can get them to notice. That is your energy body. It is real and it is verifiable. However, much of what is out there is written by people who have never accessed their actual energy body in any practical way. Just because the people around you haven't accessed their energy body doesn't mean that doesn't exist.
So, go go back, locate where exactly your awareness is housed. If your complaining is more than just something you do and you are not afraid of a little work, locate your awareness.