12-28-2012, 12:00 AM
Hi Nemo!
My definitions of the attentions align with Castaneda's. But I can add to them from other perspectives.
From reading J. Krishnamurti I learned a lot about the mind/ego/tonal/first attention that helped.
The tonal is the inventory, one's knowledge, that which one has acquired and accumulated,
the PAST. This is the most significant part to me - all knowledge/known is the past. And the mind/tonal projects
the past/knowledge/known/image onto the present/silence/unknown. Everything we can think of (tonal), we search the
past/knowledge/inventory/mind/memory for. This is the basis of self-reflection and overlaying/projecting the tonal
on the nagual/present/unknown/2nd attention. This is the psychological apparition called the ego, or sense/idea of the
separate self existing independently of the nagual. The ego has no actual substance but is purely a psychological
invention based on recycled memories. Yet it is this ego/identity that we endeavor to recapitulate!
The 2nd attention is "this", whatever "this" may be - the actual present. Subsequently, if "this" is the 1st attention, the 2nd attention
is the 1st. In a purist sense, the 2nd attention is "this" minus the internal dialogue/inventory/mind/past/knowledge... it is the
virgin present, Zen beginner's mind, first time, unknown, wonder/awe. The present/2nd attention is alive/living and the
1st attention is the dead past. Realising this is the secret to using death as an advisor - the 1st attention is already dead.
It only appears alive because of the fixation of the weak face of the 2nd attention on the 1st. The 2nd attention/present/unknown
is a true dimensional change out of the box of the 1st attention. I also like to refer to a movement within the box of the 1st attention
as horizontal/linear time and a true dimensional leap into the 2nd attention vertical time.
The 3rd attention is an equivalent dimensional shift from the 2nd to the 3rd...
1st = fixed AP position
2nd = fluid AP capable of bundling other emenations
3rd = entire luminous cocoon is AP
Now the paradox is that the 1st attention is a dream within the 2nd which is a dream within the 3rd.
Just as being in the 1st attention means "the 2nd att is IN the 1st", so too being in the 2nd means the "3rd att is IN the 2nd".
Simply translated, All (emanations) springs from the Source. Nothing exists independently. All "things" are actually relationships/energy...
a smearing of consciousness/emanations/frequencies from the Source/No-thing into matter/All/Everything via dimensional densing down
of dreams within dreams. The ego, self-reflection, is a dimension... a folding of space-time... a feat of awareness...
the 2nd attention is folded INto the 1st attention when we are "in" the 1st attention... etc.
Sorcery (with a negative connotation) may therefore be defined as further folding of the 1st attention into dreams/dimensions...
Freedom is unfolding.
So part of that paradox... I can describe 3rd attention views without being IN the 3rd attention.
Wow... this will take some more explaining/defining about stalking and dreaming.
Stalking is the step-by-step, linear, detailed, particle approach to the 2nd attention from the 1st.
Dreaming is the leaping/falling, non-linear, diffused, wave approach to the 1st attention from the 2nd OR
from the 2nd to the 3rd.
Well, the point I'm trying to get to, which is something of a paradox, is that stalking doesn't work.
What I mean by that is, stalking never really reaches the 2nd attention. The 1st and 2nd are separated
by an Hermetically sealed dimension. You can't get there from here. We can't linearly get to the Nagual's time/2nd att.
What happens is some kind of singularity, like approaching a black hole. For example, if you recapitulate enough
events, you begin to see a pattern, and suddenly the recapitulating is racing ahead of you, dyeing all the fabric
of the 1st attention without any effort, without your conscious attention; the 2nd attention has spontaneously manifested
due to the beckoning of Intent. It's an Immaculate conception by a virgin...
In the same way, the 2nd doesn't reach the 3rd. This is the paradox of dimensions/attentions. They cannot exist
independently, and yet, in a way they do. When we "move" from the 1st to the 2nd, we do so via the 3rd.
But the 3rd is unknowable - "we" don't "do" It; nor can we understand it.
So the 3rd attention... the cocoon lights up when we see the generic nature of the 2nd attention, just as we saw the 1st
and it collapsed on itself. But... "To be a man of knowledge has no permanence. One is never a man of knowledge, not really.
Rather, one becomes a man of knowledge for a very brief instant, after defeating the four natural enemies."
This is the flux. As soon as that world collapses, "we" rebuild it. Until we realise the generic nature of flux.
So to answer your question on 3rd point if I haven't - I can express 3rd point because I see, but that is not the same
as entering the 3rd attention.
I do see this new cycle manifesting. It is affecting me significantly. I see it as a source of a lot of craziness in the world for
those who are not fluid enough to roll with the force. To me, it is very important to stay present and not condition it with our
thoughts or fears or propaganda. It seems possible to me that a "rapture" (raptor/Eagle) could occur where people are vortexed
into worlds according to their frequency signature.
Thanks for helping me express all this.
I'm new here, so I don't know if this is considered off-topic and should have been posted elsewhere.
Please inform me if so - I do not mean to be inconsiderate to Littlepaw.
My definitions of the attentions align with Castaneda's. But I can add to them from other perspectives.
From reading J. Krishnamurti I learned a lot about the mind/ego/tonal/first attention that helped.
The tonal is the inventory, one's knowledge, that which one has acquired and accumulated,
the PAST. This is the most significant part to me - all knowledge/known is the past. And the mind/tonal projects
the past/knowledge/known/image onto the present/silence/unknown. Everything we can think of (tonal), we search the
past/knowledge/inventory/mind/memory for. This is the basis of self-reflection and overlaying/projecting the tonal
on the nagual/present/unknown/2nd attention. This is the psychological apparition called the ego, or sense/idea of the
separate self existing independently of the nagual. The ego has no actual substance but is purely a psychological
invention based on recycled memories. Yet it is this ego/identity that we endeavor to recapitulate!
The 2nd attention is "this", whatever "this" may be - the actual present. Subsequently, if "this" is the 1st attention, the 2nd attention
is the 1st. In a purist sense, the 2nd attention is "this" minus the internal dialogue/inventory/mind/past/knowledge... it is the
virgin present, Zen beginner's mind, first time, unknown, wonder/awe. The present/2nd attention is alive/living and the
1st attention is the dead past. Realising this is the secret to using death as an advisor - the 1st attention is already dead.
It only appears alive because of the fixation of the weak face of the 2nd attention on the 1st. The 2nd attention/present/unknown
is a true dimensional change out of the box of the 1st attention. I also like to refer to a movement within the box of the 1st attention
as horizontal/linear time and a true dimensional leap into the 2nd attention vertical time.
The 3rd attention is an equivalent dimensional shift from the 2nd to the 3rd...
1st = fixed AP position
2nd = fluid AP capable of bundling other emenations
3rd = entire luminous cocoon is AP
Now the paradox is that the 1st attention is a dream within the 2nd which is a dream within the 3rd.
Just as being in the 1st attention means "the 2nd att is IN the 1st", so too being in the 2nd means the "3rd att is IN the 2nd".
Simply translated, All (emanations) springs from the Source. Nothing exists independently. All "things" are actually relationships/energy...
a smearing of consciousness/emanations/frequencies from the Source/No-thing into matter/All/Everything via dimensional densing down
of dreams within dreams. The ego, self-reflection, is a dimension... a folding of space-time... a feat of awareness...
the 2nd attention is folded INto the 1st attention when we are "in" the 1st attention... etc.
Sorcery (with a negative connotation) may therefore be defined as further folding of the 1st attention into dreams/dimensions...
Freedom is unfolding.
So part of that paradox... I can describe 3rd attention views without being IN the 3rd attention.
Wow... this will take some more explaining/defining about stalking and dreaming.
Stalking is the step-by-step, linear, detailed, particle approach to the 2nd attention from the 1st.
Dreaming is the leaping/falling, non-linear, diffused, wave approach to the 1st attention from the 2nd OR
from the 2nd to the 3rd.
Well, the point I'm trying to get to, which is something of a paradox, is that stalking doesn't work.
What I mean by that is, stalking never really reaches the 2nd attention. The 1st and 2nd are separated
by an Hermetically sealed dimension. You can't get there from here. We can't linearly get to the Nagual's time/2nd att.
What happens is some kind of singularity, like approaching a black hole. For example, if you recapitulate enough
events, you begin to see a pattern, and suddenly the recapitulating is racing ahead of you, dyeing all the fabric
of the 1st attention without any effort, without your conscious attention; the 2nd attention has spontaneously manifested
due to the beckoning of Intent. It's an Immaculate conception by a virgin...
In the same way, the 2nd doesn't reach the 3rd. This is the paradox of dimensions/attentions. They cannot exist
independently, and yet, in a way they do. When we "move" from the 1st to the 2nd, we do so via the 3rd.
But the 3rd is unknowable - "we" don't "do" It; nor can we understand it.
So the 3rd attention... the cocoon lights up when we see the generic nature of the 2nd attention, just as we saw the 1st
and it collapsed on itself. But... "To be a man of knowledge has no permanence. One is never a man of knowledge, not really.
Rather, one becomes a man of knowledge for a very brief instant, after defeating the four natural enemies."
This is the flux. As soon as that world collapses, "we" rebuild it. Until we realise the generic nature of flux.
So to answer your question on 3rd point if I haven't - I can express 3rd point because I see, but that is not the same
as entering the 3rd attention.
I do see this new cycle manifesting. It is affecting me significantly. I see it as a source of a lot of craziness in the world for
those who are not fluid enough to roll with the force. To me, it is very important to stay present and not condition it with our
thoughts or fears or propaganda. It seems possible to me that a "rapture" (raptor/Eagle) could occur where people are vortexed
into worlds according to their frequency signature.
Thanks for helping me express all this.
I'm new here, so I don't know if this is considered off-topic and should have been posted elsewhere.
Please inform me if so - I do not mean to be inconsiderate to Littlepaw.