05-01-2012, 12:00 AM
stardreamer wrote:
Quantum, I'm not sure if you're still talking to me. I may have missed
Something (urantia and being infallibe) perhaps posts have been removed.
Whatever the case, I am simply saying that we can choose to use our intent
To turn faith into action.
As warriors, that's what we do, sorcery is action. Warriors act. Also, though communication and conversation may be tedious -- sometimes it is important because if we are open We can sometimes learn something about ourselves from listening to the other POV even thoiugh we don't agree with it.Actually, I was talking to someone else who has seemingly removed all her posts, leaving gaps in the converation. I think his/her name was "Lightdream" or something like that. Ah well...
I agree with you that sorcery is action. What I mean by tedious is that I've been on forums for many years, and when I see a conversation de-evolving into semantics and minutiae (as was happening), there's very little point continuing it. You know what YOU mean by faith, and I know what I mean... and there may never be any agreement as to the word itself, though we would probably agree as to the general concept underneath.
My gripe with the word "faith" is that I've seen far too many people use it as a crutch to avoid the hard work of the path itself. "I have faith that it will all become clear." Or "I have faith that my double will show me the way." Or "I have faith in myself." I can somewhat understand the final statement - having "faith" in oneself - but generally speaking, I don't like using words like "faith" because they are ambiguous and result in conversations like this. LOL. I would prefer to say, "I have confidence that all will become clear." It's still ambiguous, perhaps, but at least "confidence" carries some odd underlying meaning which suggests that there is "reason" or "evidence" to support one's belief. Semantics, sure, probably no different in the end. But in my own work, when someone tells me they have "faith", I generally find it means they have some airy-fairy IDEA of how they want things to turn out, but may not be doing anything in the way of action to bring whatever-it-is into manifestation.
There's a famous biblical quote to the effect, "If you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you can move mountains." I do agree with that in essence. Unfortunately, the word "faith" has essentially de-evolved in our western culture over the years to mean "hope" or "belief". I agree with you there - there is a big difference, which is where my comments began.
Quantum, I'm not sure if you're still talking to me. I may have missed
Something (urantia and being infallibe) perhaps posts have been removed.
Whatever the case, I am simply saying that we can choose to use our intent
To turn faith into action.
As warriors, that's what we do, sorcery is action. Warriors act. Also, though communication and conversation may be tedious -- sometimes it is important because if we are open We can sometimes learn something about ourselves from listening to the other POV even thoiugh we don't agree with it.Actually, I was talking to someone else who has seemingly removed all her posts, leaving gaps in the converation. I think his/her name was "Lightdream" or something like that. Ah well...
I agree with you that sorcery is action. What I mean by tedious is that I've been on forums for many years, and when I see a conversation de-evolving into semantics and minutiae (as was happening), there's very little point continuing it. You know what YOU mean by faith, and I know what I mean... and there may never be any agreement as to the word itself, though we would probably agree as to the general concept underneath.
My gripe with the word "faith" is that I've seen far too many people use it as a crutch to avoid the hard work of the path itself. "I have faith that it will all become clear." Or "I have faith that my double will show me the way." Or "I have faith in myself." I can somewhat understand the final statement - having "faith" in oneself - but generally speaking, I don't like using words like "faith" because they are ambiguous and result in conversations like this. LOL. I would prefer to say, "I have confidence that all will become clear." It's still ambiguous, perhaps, but at least "confidence" carries some odd underlying meaning which suggests that there is "reason" or "evidence" to support one's belief. Semantics, sure, probably no different in the end. But in my own work, when someone tells me they have "faith", I generally find it means they have some airy-fairy IDEA of how they want things to turn out, but may not be doing anything in the way of action to bring whatever-it-is into manifestation.
There's a famous biblical quote to the effect, "If you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you can move mountains." I do agree with that in essence. Unfortunately, the word "faith" has essentially de-evolved in our western culture over the years to mean "hope" or "belief". I agree with you there - there is a big difference, which is where my comments began.