08-10-2011, 12:00 AM
Ravenmoon, I like what you day here:
"But the funny thing about a group in such a way, each person is still a separate entity within the herd and thus free to change their mind/opinion given new information which effects the group dynamic by inserting doubt into the group belief structure."
and here:
"..the nagual link as the sole guiding force for a group, which is outside all these descriptions, I say."
My intent though, wasn't to point anyone out publicly or claim I am a victim, I have pigeon-holed people at certain times and felt competitive and sundry socially awkward gafs and overly self conscious miss takes myself . I haven't been one to gossip much and I am grateful for that. I just wanted to point out that in order for people to work in a meaningful and fruitful way they have to give space to others, the same kind of space they need in order to take a ruthless look at themselves. In my experience, you can't look ruthlessly without compassion and compassion is space, the space to be as you are in that moment, it's hard to own up to ones ass but it is often the only place to leap from and all progress by lies is lies. I am also not saying don't ever call someone on their **** but it behooves one to mind one's own **** best.
I am not demanding rules but giving food for thought and consideration from my own experience and observations of online forums, others, and myself in them.
The Johnathon Zap article I linked led me to examine the ways I have attempted to communicate , especially in my more poetic mode that is often self-referential and not always clear to others. I don't agree with all the reasons zap provided for a person to behave in that manner but some of it struck home. I am not going to say I wont go into poetic frenzies in threads ever again but I plan to be more thoughtful about it and take more time before hitting "post".
Nah, Ravenmoon you have been very welcoming to me despite my gafs and I thank you. Lol, it took me a bit of detective work to figure out who you were since your name change. I think that is a good thing, starting from zero is nice.
"But the funny thing about a group in such a way, each person is still a separate entity within the herd and thus free to change their mind/opinion given new information which effects the group dynamic by inserting doubt into the group belief structure."
and here:
"..the nagual link as the sole guiding force for a group, which is outside all these descriptions, I say."
My intent though, wasn't to point anyone out publicly or claim I am a victim, I have pigeon-holed people at certain times and felt competitive and sundry socially awkward gafs and overly self conscious miss takes myself . I haven't been one to gossip much and I am grateful for that. I just wanted to point out that in order for people to work in a meaningful and fruitful way they have to give space to others, the same kind of space they need in order to take a ruthless look at themselves. In my experience, you can't look ruthlessly without compassion and compassion is space, the space to be as you are in that moment, it's hard to own up to ones ass but it is often the only place to leap from and all progress by lies is lies. I am also not saying don't ever call someone on their **** but it behooves one to mind one's own **** best.
I am not demanding rules but giving food for thought and consideration from my own experience and observations of online forums, others, and myself in them.
The Johnathon Zap article I linked led me to examine the ways I have attempted to communicate , especially in my more poetic mode that is often self-referential and not always clear to others. I don't agree with all the reasons zap provided for a person to behave in that manner but some of it struck home. I am not going to say I wont go into poetic frenzies in threads ever again but I plan to be more thoughtful about it and take more time before hitting "post".
Nah, Ravenmoon you have been very welcoming to me despite my gafs and I thank you. Lol, it took me a bit of detective work to figure out who you were since your name change. I think that is a good thing, starting from zero is nice.