06-11-2011, 12:00 AM
Gonzo wrote:Aren't we discussing the difference between the female and the male approach to understanding something? That is, an analytical approach versus an intuitive one? In this instance I doubt the two will have any correspondence.
The primary problem with the intuitive approach is that too often those who take that approach claim their findings are incapable of being put into words with the excuse that one must experience the thing, then they will "know". I prefer to look directly at what don Juan was doing and teaching. It either stands up to scrutiny, or it doesn't.
Well, aren't we putting stuff into little neat boxes? I am female and I love looking at what is written, closely, and scrutinize the sentences/words in detail. I love to scrutinize stuff. I am also aware what I am doing when I am doing it and that it is also a kind of game. I turn stuff this way and that way and see what all makes perfect sense together and what not. I was asked by my literature teacher if I did not want to be a lawyer?
Anyway, still after having done all that one needs to take a step back. And look at it from the big picture of one's knowing. Sometimes this is the best way to do stuff. Start small and then take a step back, see the big picture. The pig picture can also be looked at by an analytical approach. And the scrutinizing can be done by an intuitive one. So there you go..
If you go the other way round, start big and go small you are trying to find the big in the small, meaning you are looking for what you understand already, in there. If you start small and turn big, then you start with the specific small world, as what Lex wants, and then link it to your general knowledge and see how it all fits.
Basically we all have our own versions of the big world, or our own vocabulary to describe it, our own specific experiences that led us there. So we cannot that well go from big to small together. But DJ/CCs world has DJ/CCs vocabulary and DJ/CCs experiences, therefore here we are all more or less on the same page. Although we do interpret stuff to some extent through our own, can't be helped. But it is potentially much more helpful for the group as a whole if we make sense of the text, theories, whatever presented in the books cause then we can all connect it to our own big picture individually and then come back and share that again. At least in theory.
It is nice to keep the intent of the thread clear but I also understand that people might feel it too controlled if they want to share something of value (because we all connect it to the big picture as we read kind of naturally, because we want to have practical results, and then we have results we want to share) and not find the place to do it there because of that, because of the focus on the small. But what can one say there, it is Lex's thread if he wishes to control it thus I think he has a right to voice it. And then there is the demand of the site as well. If Lex goes against what most people look for/ want then he will be alone in that thread , or his thread will be highjacked . Personally I like what he is doing, so I keep my fingers crossed for some great results (but I also don't mind if people say what they think from their bigger perspectives, they just need to keep it concise)
Those were my thoughts on this subject..
The primary problem with the intuitive approach is that too often those who take that approach claim their findings are incapable of being put into words with the excuse that one must experience the thing, then they will "know". I prefer to look directly at what don Juan was doing and teaching. It either stands up to scrutiny, or it doesn't.
Well, aren't we putting stuff into little neat boxes? I am female and I love looking at what is written, closely, and scrutinize the sentences/words in detail. I love to scrutinize stuff. I am also aware what I am doing when I am doing it and that it is also a kind of game. I turn stuff this way and that way and see what all makes perfect sense together and what not. I was asked by my literature teacher if I did not want to be a lawyer?
Anyway, still after having done all that one needs to take a step back. And look at it from the big picture of one's knowing. Sometimes this is the best way to do stuff. Start small and then take a step back, see the big picture. The pig picture can also be looked at by an analytical approach. And the scrutinizing can be done by an intuitive one. So there you go..
If you go the other way round, start big and go small you are trying to find the big in the small, meaning you are looking for what you understand already, in there. If you start small and turn big, then you start with the specific small world, as what Lex wants, and then link it to your general knowledge and see how it all fits.
Basically we all have our own versions of the big world, or our own vocabulary to describe it, our own specific experiences that led us there. So we cannot that well go from big to small together. But DJ/CCs world has DJ/CCs vocabulary and DJ/CCs experiences, therefore here we are all more or less on the same page. Although we do interpret stuff to some extent through our own, can't be helped. But it is potentially much more helpful for the group as a whole if we make sense of the text, theories, whatever presented in the books cause then we can all connect it to our own big picture individually and then come back and share that again. At least in theory.
It is nice to keep the intent of the thread clear but I also understand that people might feel it too controlled if they want to share something of value (because we all connect it to the big picture as we read kind of naturally, because we want to have practical results, and then we have results we want to share) and not find the place to do it there because of that, because of the focus on the small. But what can one say there, it is Lex's thread if he wishes to control it thus I think he has a right to voice it. And then there is the demand of the site as well. If Lex goes against what most people look for/ want then he will be alone in that thread , or his thread will be highjacked . Personally I like what he is doing, so I keep my fingers crossed for some great results (but I also don't mind if people say what they think from their bigger perspectives, they just need to keep it concise)
Those were my thoughts on this subject..