06-19-2011, 12:00 AM
Jessicar,
I just saw this response of yours here. I did not hear from you on Skype??
All I can say is I am not really that interested in my point of view concerning the Sorcerer's Explanation. I am interested in DJ's point of view. I believe it is very complex and difficult to arrive at. I got very excited as I presented this because it felt like I was finally beginning to understand what he was getting at. And for me at least what HE is getting at is very different (and not the same) as what is being presented in most forums like this. It is this difference that I have tried to draw attention to, despite the attempts to blur the lines.
When DJ's says he deviates or varies from his own tradition, I see this of great significance. It is something that eluded me (as I know it does others whether others care to admit it or not). It eluded me because the context was missing, or at least sketchy. The context is essential. It is connected to the preparation involved if the Sorcerer's Explanation is to deliver its "lethal blow" effectively. The thread still had a ways to go. We never got to what we thought DJ meant by this "lethal blow", what it means to receive such a blow, its impact etc. (We are not talking about the pat on the back here, impact between the shoulder blades). But you see if one is not even interested in why DJ varies from his tradition to begin with, then all this talk about blows etc is useless. One thing I would like to make clear is I am not offering a Sorcerer's Explanation.
For those that were, or are invested in the tradition of which DJ is a nagual (and chief spokes-person to date) it does not help when that person, DJ, now says he "varies" from that tradition, and points out that he was not teaching sorcery, as CC (and pretty much all of us) had believed, but that it had been a trick, a didactic device. That is the dilemma for those still invested in that tradition. They must either divest themselves in the way DJ was pointing to (which I barely touched upon) or blur what he was saying in order to reclaim him as one of their own and deflect commentaries such as this that aim to at least bring out the discrepancy of him "varying from his tradition".
Now for those who do not see this as significant, or consciously recognize the dilemma, then the blow will have no impact. Continue with your lives and pardon the interruption. lol.
I just saw this response of yours here. I did not hear from you on Skype??
All I can say is I am not really that interested in my point of view concerning the Sorcerer's Explanation. I am interested in DJ's point of view. I believe it is very complex and difficult to arrive at. I got very excited as I presented this because it felt like I was finally beginning to understand what he was getting at. And for me at least what HE is getting at is very different (and not the same) as what is being presented in most forums like this. It is this difference that I have tried to draw attention to, despite the attempts to blur the lines.
When DJ's says he deviates or varies from his own tradition, I see this of great significance. It is something that eluded me (as I know it does others whether others care to admit it or not). It eluded me because the context was missing, or at least sketchy. The context is essential. It is connected to the preparation involved if the Sorcerer's Explanation is to deliver its "lethal blow" effectively. The thread still had a ways to go. We never got to what we thought DJ meant by this "lethal blow", what it means to receive such a blow, its impact etc. (We are not talking about the pat on the back here, impact between the shoulder blades). But you see if one is not even interested in why DJ varies from his tradition to begin with, then all this talk about blows etc is useless. One thing I would like to make clear is I am not offering a Sorcerer's Explanation.
For those that were, or are invested in the tradition of which DJ is a nagual (and chief spokes-person to date) it does not help when that person, DJ, now says he "varies" from that tradition, and points out that he was not teaching sorcery, as CC (and pretty much all of us) had believed, but that it had been a trick, a didactic device. That is the dilemma for those still invested in that tradition. They must either divest themselves in the way DJ was pointing to (which I barely touched upon) or blur what he was saying in order to reclaim him as one of their own and deflect commentaries such as this that aim to at least bring out the discrepancy of him "varying from his tradition".
Now for those who do not see this as significant, or consciously recognize the dilemma, then the blow will have no impact. Continue with your lives and pardon the interruption. lol.