06-24-2011, 12:00 AM
Hi Bob,
you're welcome. I felt it will give us something more tangible so I went through the trouble, and I am glad I did.
For me this experience was quite strange and a bit frightful. Something changed there but I did not really see anything tangible that I remember. I just felt a bit different (and not even very much so). In this case your account is so different from mine it is almost strange .
so when you say:
Bob wrote:The sound signaled a permanent/semi-permanent awareness.
I try to think back to my experience, the one I remember, to see if there were any changes.. But hard to say. I was in my room in silence (I think I even had my eyes closed) before that and after that for quite some time (cause I was scared a bit). Maybe if it happened outside I could stalk it better. Like this I cannot really say if there was any change in "depth perception, hearing and the ability to understand the spoken or written language." So after the initial fright and strangeness of the experience wore of I classified it as one of those weird things we encounter that I will not understand for some time (like I did with the sound of branches cracking and something falling in places where there is nobody and not even cracked branches, or hearing footsteps around you but when you look no one is there, we have to deal with all kinds of strange stuff that we do not understand).
I do think it was connected to suspending judgment and stopping of inner dialog though. Like I say I was just laying on my bed in silence. And got startled by this sound, I actually felt something make the sound behind there, like something was moved to crack like that, opened is really quite a fitting word.
Just now I came here to post something I found while reading what I wrote about balancing the double that is explained in the sorcerer's crossing. It links to our sound at the base of the skull
Sorcerers Crossing wrote:In order for you and me to be sane, we have to work like demons at balancing, not the body or the mind, but the double.
I [Taisha] asked him, "How can we be sure that we're balancing the double?"
By opening our gates.
The first gate is in the sole of the foot, at the base of the big toe.
..."The sixth is at the base of the skull, and the seventh is at the crown of the head."
So this would be the sixth gate and the seventh is the other one that is mentioned in the quotes from CC and the one you mention your teacher showing you. I have not experienced this seventh one yet, or do not remember. Hm, I remember a strange feeling on the top of my head, but I cannot pinpoint it to a memory set in time and space.
I do not work with chakras or meditate. When I was doing Tai Chi a few years ago my tai chi teacher, while checking our body posture during some stance where how we have our shoulders was important, commented that I have that chakra open. I understood the location he was referring to to be somewhere at the base of the neck (a spot there felt good in that position when I focused on it after, the chakra was supposedly flowing better through it in that position). So guess that was the throat chakra. It meant nothing to me in the sense that I did not know what it means . I just thought about this now when you mentioned the Kundalini, which I now understand as an energy that goes through all the centers.
Bob wrote:To sublimate the sex energy is part of Kundalini meditation. My teacher used to say it was very rare for a person to pull the energy above the neck. It seemed to be a dividing line of sorts.
So in order to pull the energy above means that the energy has to flow from down to up to open this other point and hear this sound that we heard? Do you think that since one heard the sound that it means that at least at that time all the chakras below were open? Would the base of the skull count as above the neck already or not yet. The specific spot I feel is to be just where the neck meets the skull, there is a sort of hollow in that region.
One thing that has been of interest to me is how to transform sexual energy into some other energy. I therefore click on all sexual energy (and transforming sexual energy) posts but they are not focusing on what I am looking for. I do not looking for how to make my sexual experiences better or what to do while having sex, I am looking for changing arousal into another form of energy. I manage to do this sometimes by pulling the energy up, by intending it. But sometimes I am not able to do so. Could you please say more on the sublimating of sex energy? How do you do that and to what do you sublimate it? I have encountered one specific way that is possible, that is to relocate the energy to a specific place that needs healing. I remembered this once in dreaming when I felt arousal and managed to do so. I also tried spreading the energy into the whole body. These are just some spontaneous ways that have come up, I would appreciate if you could trow some of your wisdom into this..
Bob wrote:Once, while speaking about his grandson and his friends who had been drinking, don Juan told them that being a drunk slows you down while the drugs (halucinagens) sped you up so that you could experience the "fleeting" world of sorcery. A change of speed.
I was wondering what DJ meant by that speeding up, thanks for clarifying that.
you're welcome. I felt it will give us something more tangible so I went through the trouble, and I am glad I did.
For me this experience was quite strange and a bit frightful. Something changed there but I did not really see anything tangible that I remember. I just felt a bit different (and not even very much so). In this case your account is so different from mine it is almost strange .
so when you say:
Bob wrote:The sound signaled a permanent/semi-permanent awareness.
I try to think back to my experience, the one I remember, to see if there were any changes.. But hard to say. I was in my room in silence (I think I even had my eyes closed) before that and after that for quite some time (cause I was scared a bit). Maybe if it happened outside I could stalk it better. Like this I cannot really say if there was any change in "depth perception, hearing and the ability to understand the spoken or written language." So after the initial fright and strangeness of the experience wore of I classified it as one of those weird things we encounter that I will not understand for some time (like I did with the sound of branches cracking and something falling in places where there is nobody and not even cracked branches, or hearing footsteps around you but when you look no one is there, we have to deal with all kinds of strange stuff that we do not understand).
I do think it was connected to suspending judgment and stopping of inner dialog though. Like I say I was just laying on my bed in silence. And got startled by this sound, I actually felt something make the sound behind there, like something was moved to crack like that, opened is really quite a fitting word.
Just now I came here to post something I found while reading what I wrote about balancing the double that is explained in the sorcerer's crossing. It links to our sound at the base of the skull
Sorcerers Crossing wrote:In order for you and me to be sane, we have to work like demons at balancing, not the body or the mind, but the double.
I [Taisha] asked him, "How can we be sure that we're balancing the double?"
By opening our gates.
The first gate is in the sole of the foot, at the base of the big toe.
..."The sixth is at the base of the skull, and the seventh is at the crown of the head."
So this would be the sixth gate and the seventh is the other one that is mentioned in the quotes from CC and the one you mention your teacher showing you. I have not experienced this seventh one yet, or do not remember. Hm, I remember a strange feeling on the top of my head, but I cannot pinpoint it to a memory set in time and space.
I do not work with chakras or meditate. When I was doing Tai Chi a few years ago my tai chi teacher, while checking our body posture during some stance where how we have our shoulders was important, commented that I have that chakra open. I understood the location he was referring to to be somewhere at the base of the neck (a spot there felt good in that position when I focused on it after, the chakra was supposedly flowing better through it in that position). So guess that was the throat chakra. It meant nothing to me in the sense that I did not know what it means . I just thought about this now when you mentioned the Kundalini, which I now understand as an energy that goes through all the centers.
Bob wrote:To sublimate the sex energy is part of Kundalini meditation. My teacher used to say it was very rare for a person to pull the energy above the neck. It seemed to be a dividing line of sorts.
So in order to pull the energy above means that the energy has to flow from down to up to open this other point and hear this sound that we heard? Do you think that since one heard the sound that it means that at least at that time all the chakras below were open? Would the base of the skull count as above the neck already or not yet. The specific spot I feel is to be just where the neck meets the skull, there is a sort of hollow in that region.
One thing that has been of interest to me is how to transform sexual energy into some other energy. I therefore click on all sexual energy (and transforming sexual energy) posts but they are not focusing on what I am looking for. I do not looking for how to make my sexual experiences better or what to do while having sex, I am looking for changing arousal into another form of energy. I manage to do this sometimes by pulling the energy up, by intending it. But sometimes I am not able to do so. Could you please say more on the sublimating of sex energy? How do you do that and to what do you sublimate it? I have encountered one specific way that is possible, that is to relocate the energy to a specific place that needs healing. I remembered this once in dreaming when I felt arousal and managed to do so. I also tried spreading the energy into the whole body. These are just some spontaneous ways that have come up, I would appreciate if you could trow some of your wisdom into this..
Bob wrote:Once, while speaking about his grandson and his friends who had been drinking, don Juan told them that being a drunk slows you down while the drugs (halucinagens) sped you up so that you could experience the "fleeting" world of sorcery. A change of speed.
I was wondering what DJ meant by that speeding up, thanks for clarifying that.