07-01-2011, 12:00 AM
Bob May wrote:
watergaze wrote:
Then somebody came in my room and said something. And I said something. And I was hearing all double. And there I was like !!.
Got a bit freaked out, thought what if this never stops lol. It did, lasted maybe half an hour. It happens from time to time, had it a lot of times already. Often it comes with a slight form of heightened awareness. It is hard to focus on conversation with more people when it happens. But in a room where there are people on more sides I guess it has some practical use, though I could not get a good control of it as of yet (not only has one to hear stuff one also has to sort it), cause usually I am doing other stuff and when in conversation I have to concentrate on that. I also have a slightly different space perception when this happens (but it does not mean what it says, goes on a different level). I have learned that the ears are important for mapping space. The ear is what we can use in our travels to other realms. I have just encountered this info, so cannot even say it better for myself. Most people know that in terms of the other perceptions that the eyes do a lot of things, but truly, the ears are also quite interesting .
I guess it is the auditory version of when we start seeing some object double when we do stuff with the eyes.
Some time after it had happened to me I remembered that in CC before he jumped into the abyss DJ and DG were each talking into one of his ears and his hearing was split. Felt a bit better to know it does not have to mean something is wrong with my ears .
I don't like going to parties, social events etc., since that time period. If I have to attend a wedding or something like that where there are large groups of people, I tend to concentrate on one person and one conversation. Otherwise it can become very disconcerting.
Apart from this stereo hearing I sometimes hear things (information) when I am in the in between state before waking up. Sometimes it is like what people think in connection to me, what they want to tell me. However, even if they might mean what they say at that moment, they could still not act on it. It depends on the character of the person I guess . Just like in the normal type of talk.. when someone can say they will do something and not do it in the end. I did not only hear these types of things, but I do not remember much, it is easy to forget in such a state, especially if one does not write it down immediately. And I also think it is best not to get fixated on such things..
I think it is best not to get too fixated on anything. There are far too many various phenomena involved in these various awakenings. whether the result of chakras opening or just becoming more aware of people and their motives which seem to be laid bare to our eyes at times.
Some experiences are very difficult to remember. It is almost as if the mode of thought doesn't mesh with normal waking consciousness.
All I am saying is that from my experience, the meaning of language falling away seems to be a signal of sorts that a person is crossing a specific barrier or veil.
The confusion of language at the tower of Babel was a significant place in human consciousness. As was the understanding of other tongues at Pentecost.
Interesting, again. I know the story of Babel, it is one of the most famous ones, so even I know it. Wasn't it presented as a bad thing in the Bible though? People building the tower to get to god, but the tower was blown down and they stopped understanding each other. With the interpretation put on it that it was a sort of punishment and preventing them to cooperate in such a way in the future.
The way you present it here it is truly organic with a state of consciousness and as such could be seen as a valid and good step on the stairway leading upwards where one wishes to climb. Then the element of punishment is off, but how about the striking down of the tower? how does that fit in? Is it like a sudden change in the perception of the person?
It relates to probably the greatest revelation in scriptures as far as I am concerned. We are either under the law or under grace. One (under the law) is accomplished by our own efforts. The work of our hands, the sweat of our brows etc. It is all through the bible. It will only get us so far.
The other, (grace,) is a gift and things come effortlessly as I described above concerning the voice. To acknowledge an intelligent Creator above all who is in control and has our best interests at heart.
To go from one mentality, the law mentality to the grace mentality is the toppling of the tower. The confusion of languages is that people who cannot accept the grace idea cannot understand what you are saying even if you explain it to them.
The bolt from God that destroys our old structures and ideas is a gift. Not a punishment. It is enlightenment. It could apply loosely to stopping the world I suppose but it is a higher experience because it opens the way to higher planes of knowing.
The triangle of Hod Netsach and Yesod is the "Magical Triangle" and would have to do with The way of the occultist and natural magic etc. Above that would be the way of the mystical.
That the world comes tumbling down kind of? Reference to stopping the world? Or what you say at the end of your post that a lateral shift is not a higher plane of experience? "Not a goal in itself except to show us that there is more to existence than we first thought. From there we can compare and know that neither the world of sorcerers or ordinary men is where we belong or where we came from."
I do not know the Pentecost story of understanding other tongues, so I googled . It connects to what Kaomea was mentioning in the 'Ancient Tongues' thread. Sigh . So would you say that first comes the Babel experience and then the Pentecost one? Or it does not matter what order they come in? Is it just a collection of APs one should have? How do you look at these experiences?
What would be the Pentecost experience? I read on wiki that each man could understand the apostles in their own language. Well, I know about 'the language of the soul' and one could say that all understand it, if they listen.. because the soul of each person understands it.
You have it right there in that you said everyone understood what the Apostles said in their own tongue. That was the miracle. If you go to Pentacostal churches they make a show of speaking in other tongues. But the real miracle was one of an opening of awareness. The understanding of other tongues.
I had an experience once in which I woke up dreaming. The dream kept going even though I was awake and walking around. I was in such an alternate and alien state of mind that it is difficult to describe. But what happened was that there were letters written in white light floating in the air above me. They were of a different language and I would guess they were ancient Hebrew. But here is the weird part. The letters were alive and conscious. They were living beings.
They arranged themselves into verses from the bible and I instantly understood them with a clarity that I had never before or since known. They were verses that I had known previously but had never understood. All I could think was, "Why hadn't I understood this before? It is plain as day and it says exactly what it means.
As soon as It would dawn on me the letters would laugh at me and rearrange themselves again. I would then forget the previous verse and be overwhelmed by the realisation of the next verse. Then it would happen again. This went on over and over again for about 10 to 20 minutes. I had sat on the floor with my back against the wall, completely stunned and staring at the laughing dancing letters.
When it was over, I could not retain any of the specific verses. Just the sense of Clarity that had come.
I do not speak any language but English. I know a few words in Hebrew and the letters. That is all.
So you would say that this stopping of language is just so that we realize that it is possible to experience the world in a different way?
Don Juan said that stopping the internal dialog was the most important thing he had taught Carlos and that all of the other things, (Not doing, erasing personal history etc., etc.) and that these things were just meant to accelerate that stopping of the internal dialog.
The bible says, "Be still and know that I am God."
Jesus said, "..
Lu 19:40
And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
So, yes we do stop speaking inside ourselves to experience the world in other than "normal" ways.
Do we have to stop the world just to realize that we do not belong into this world or the stopped world? This is a somewhat confusing thought if I write it.. Because where then do we belong.. How do we find this in between of things to pass through? It is like one feels something there, the edges..
Again, We all tend to build towers of sorts. We work our way to heaven (or believe we do.) Moses brought the Law.
Jesus came to show us that it is available now. "The kingdom of God is at hand."
He came bringing Grace and Truth. Grace means a gift and it also means Influence or influx from God.
Jesus said that all he did and said was from the Father. That is all of his knowledge and power.
He also said that he came from the Father and was returning to him.
He also said to follow him.
The in between is the awareness of Grace and Truth. That is the path of the mystic. That is the middle pillar of the tree of life which is called the pillar of Grace. The two side pillars are called Mildness and Severity.
http://alleeshadowtradition.com/pdf/mystical_qabala.pdf
Above is a link to the Mystical Qabalah by Dion Fortune. It is the best book that I have found on the subject. I don't go too deeply into the subject but only use it as an overall pattern. The basics. There are many books out there and it can be confusing. I've read many but this one is very basic and yet very deep.
My teacher was a retired aeronautical engineer and he used the analogy that the bible was the mystic's hand book, (like an engineer's handbook) and the Qabalah was his slide rule.
You asked, "Do we have to stop the world in order to experience another world?"
My answer is, "If we experience another world, we have stopped the world."
But I don't believe it has to be the confusing and frightening experience that I went though. I knew nothing about a loving God when it first happened to me.
watergaze wrote:
Then somebody came in my room and said something. And I said something. And I was hearing all double. And there I was like !!.
Got a bit freaked out, thought what if this never stops lol. It did, lasted maybe half an hour. It happens from time to time, had it a lot of times already. Often it comes with a slight form of heightened awareness. It is hard to focus on conversation with more people when it happens. But in a room where there are people on more sides I guess it has some practical use, though I could not get a good control of it as of yet (not only has one to hear stuff one also has to sort it), cause usually I am doing other stuff and when in conversation I have to concentrate on that. I also have a slightly different space perception when this happens (but it does not mean what it says, goes on a different level). I have learned that the ears are important for mapping space. The ear is what we can use in our travels to other realms. I have just encountered this info, so cannot even say it better for myself. Most people know that in terms of the other perceptions that the eyes do a lot of things, but truly, the ears are also quite interesting .
I guess it is the auditory version of when we start seeing some object double when we do stuff with the eyes.
Some time after it had happened to me I remembered that in CC before he jumped into the abyss DJ and DG were each talking into one of his ears and his hearing was split. Felt a bit better to know it does not have to mean something is wrong with my ears .
I don't like going to parties, social events etc., since that time period. If I have to attend a wedding or something like that where there are large groups of people, I tend to concentrate on one person and one conversation. Otherwise it can become very disconcerting.
Apart from this stereo hearing I sometimes hear things (information) when I am in the in between state before waking up. Sometimes it is like what people think in connection to me, what they want to tell me. However, even if they might mean what they say at that moment, they could still not act on it. It depends on the character of the person I guess . Just like in the normal type of talk.. when someone can say they will do something and not do it in the end. I did not only hear these types of things, but I do not remember much, it is easy to forget in such a state, especially if one does not write it down immediately. And I also think it is best not to get fixated on such things..
I think it is best not to get too fixated on anything. There are far too many various phenomena involved in these various awakenings. whether the result of chakras opening or just becoming more aware of people and their motives which seem to be laid bare to our eyes at times.
Some experiences are very difficult to remember. It is almost as if the mode of thought doesn't mesh with normal waking consciousness.
All I am saying is that from my experience, the meaning of language falling away seems to be a signal of sorts that a person is crossing a specific barrier or veil.
The confusion of language at the tower of Babel was a significant place in human consciousness. As was the understanding of other tongues at Pentecost.
Interesting, again. I know the story of Babel, it is one of the most famous ones, so even I know it. Wasn't it presented as a bad thing in the Bible though? People building the tower to get to god, but the tower was blown down and they stopped understanding each other. With the interpretation put on it that it was a sort of punishment and preventing them to cooperate in such a way in the future.
The way you present it here it is truly organic with a state of consciousness and as such could be seen as a valid and good step on the stairway leading upwards where one wishes to climb. Then the element of punishment is off, but how about the striking down of the tower? how does that fit in? Is it like a sudden change in the perception of the person?
It relates to probably the greatest revelation in scriptures as far as I am concerned. We are either under the law or under grace. One (under the law) is accomplished by our own efforts. The work of our hands, the sweat of our brows etc. It is all through the bible. It will only get us so far.
The other, (grace,) is a gift and things come effortlessly as I described above concerning the voice. To acknowledge an intelligent Creator above all who is in control and has our best interests at heart.
To go from one mentality, the law mentality to the grace mentality is the toppling of the tower. The confusion of languages is that people who cannot accept the grace idea cannot understand what you are saying even if you explain it to them.
The bolt from God that destroys our old structures and ideas is a gift. Not a punishment. It is enlightenment. It could apply loosely to stopping the world I suppose but it is a higher experience because it opens the way to higher planes of knowing.
The triangle of Hod Netsach and Yesod is the "Magical Triangle" and would have to do with The way of the occultist and natural magic etc. Above that would be the way of the mystical.
That the world comes tumbling down kind of? Reference to stopping the world? Or what you say at the end of your post that a lateral shift is not a higher plane of experience? "Not a goal in itself except to show us that there is more to existence than we first thought. From there we can compare and know that neither the world of sorcerers or ordinary men is where we belong or where we came from."
I do not know the Pentecost story of understanding other tongues, so I googled . It connects to what Kaomea was mentioning in the 'Ancient Tongues' thread. Sigh . So would you say that first comes the Babel experience and then the Pentecost one? Or it does not matter what order they come in? Is it just a collection of APs one should have? How do you look at these experiences?
What would be the Pentecost experience? I read on wiki that each man could understand the apostles in their own language. Well, I know about 'the language of the soul' and one could say that all understand it, if they listen.. because the soul of each person understands it.
You have it right there in that you said everyone understood what the Apostles said in their own tongue. That was the miracle. If you go to Pentacostal churches they make a show of speaking in other tongues. But the real miracle was one of an opening of awareness. The understanding of other tongues.
I had an experience once in which I woke up dreaming. The dream kept going even though I was awake and walking around. I was in such an alternate and alien state of mind that it is difficult to describe. But what happened was that there were letters written in white light floating in the air above me. They were of a different language and I would guess they were ancient Hebrew. But here is the weird part. The letters were alive and conscious. They were living beings.
They arranged themselves into verses from the bible and I instantly understood them with a clarity that I had never before or since known. They were verses that I had known previously but had never understood. All I could think was, "Why hadn't I understood this before? It is plain as day and it says exactly what it means.
As soon as It would dawn on me the letters would laugh at me and rearrange themselves again. I would then forget the previous verse and be overwhelmed by the realisation of the next verse. Then it would happen again. This went on over and over again for about 10 to 20 minutes. I had sat on the floor with my back against the wall, completely stunned and staring at the laughing dancing letters.
When it was over, I could not retain any of the specific verses. Just the sense of Clarity that had come.
I do not speak any language but English. I know a few words in Hebrew and the letters. That is all.
So you would say that this stopping of language is just so that we realize that it is possible to experience the world in a different way?
Don Juan said that stopping the internal dialog was the most important thing he had taught Carlos and that all of the other things, (Not doing, erasing personal history etc., etc.) and that these things were just meant to accelerate that stopping of the internal dialog.
The bible says, "Be still and know that I am God."
Jesus said, "..
Lu 19:40
And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
So, yes we do stop speaking inside ourselves to experience the world in other than "normal" ways.
Do we have to stop the world just to realize that we do not belong into this world or the stopped world? This is a somewhat confusing thought if I write it.. Because where then do we belong.. How do we find this in between of things to pass through? It is like one feels something there, the edges..
Again, We all tend to build towers of sorts. We work our way to heaven (or believe we do.) Moses brought the Law.
Jesus came to show us that it is available now. "The kingdom of God is at hand."
He came bringing Grace and Truth. Grace means a gift and it also means Influence or influx from God.
Jesus said that all he did and said was from the Father. That is all of his knowledge and power.
He also said that he came from the Father and was returning to him.
He also said to follow him.
The in between is the awareness of Grace and Truth. That is the path of the mystic. That is the middle pillar of the tree of life which is called the pillar of Grace. The two side pillars are called Mildness and Severity.
http://alleeshadowtradition.com/pdf/mystical_qabala.pdf
Above is a link to the Mystical Qabalah by Dion Fortune. It is the best book that I have found on the subject. I don't go too deeply into the subject but only use it as an overall pattern. The basics. There are many books out there and it can be confusing. I've read many but this one is very basic and yet very deep.
My teacher was a retired aeronautical engineer and he used the analogy that the bible was the mystic's hand book, (like an engineer's handbook) and the Qabalah was his slide rule.
You asked, "Do we have to stop the world in order to experience another world?"
My answer is, "If we experience another world, we have stopped the world."
But I don't believe it has to be the confusing and frightening experience that I went though. I knew nothing about a loving God when it first happened to me.