02-02-2011, 12:00 AM
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Alien. I am this very moment making respberry jam, and the raspberries come from the USA! I would love to be making this jam with raspberries I have just picked But thanks to the marvels of the caplitalist system, I am making jam right now, well out of season.
Its how I have wanted to live for a long time, and I think the impending possibility of a collapse is like a further nudge "You know what to do, now DO it". I don't know if any where is 'safe' but it sure as hell aint the city. And it also isnt isolationism either. Perhaps near a rural community far from major population centres is best, the remoter the better. These communities tend to be already living a little more self sufficiently anyway. Pretty much any tribal peoples will be good to hang out with! Its ironic that those who would be bleast vulnerable in such a scenario will be the ones we consider most undeveloped. Some tribes will be barely effected by it.
My ideal scenario would be to buy a farm, maybe with a few others, say round a courtyard, and divide them into separate living units and live with others though with ones own personal space. And have enough space for more people to come. Horses, polytunnels, bit of woodland and a stream or river, a good few acres. A warmer location than Scotland would be good ideally. But Im not in a financial position to take off to rural spain or France. A couple of years back I lived in such a place in Scotland, but like you no soil to grow things. Have you looked into what they have done in dry areas in Spain? and also the Israelies are pretty good at converting desert into productive land, think that's what the kibbutz system did.
The whole thing nags me, I feel a responsibility to take part in the transition on all levels in a positive and useful way, to be prepared even if others arnt, so at least they have somewhere to go, family friends and the guys who work for me and their families!! omg I need to build a village!
But anyway, the most intense aspect of it, is that its the way I feel I should be living anyway. I go to the supermarket and I buy six tomatoes in a thick plastic moulded tray, inside a further plastic wrapper, and I just feel I am stealing. I'm not an eco fascist or anything, I buy some organic, free range etc.
I look around the supermarket, see the abundance, feel so blessed for it, and yet I know I don't always appreciate it either, and yet its a bloody wonder of wonders! Unique in the history of humans on this planet to have such variety and choice from all corners of the world brought to us. And I sometimes think, we will look back on this time where we had everything, and appreciate it!
Its how I have wanted to live for a long time, and I think the impending possibility of a collapse is like a further nudge "You know what to do, now DO it". I don't know if any where is 'safe' but it sure as hell aint the city. And it also isnt isolationism either. Perhaps near a rural community far from major population centres is best, the remoter the better. These communities tend to be already living a little more self sufficiently anyway. Pretty much any tribal peoples will be good to hang out with! Its ironic that those who would be bleast vulnerable in such a scenario will be the ones we consider most undeveloped. Some tribes will be barely effected by it.
My ideal scenario would be to buy a farm, maybe with a few others, say round a courtyard, and divide them into separate living units and live with others though with ones own personal space. And have enough space for more people to come. Horses, polytunnels, bit of woodland and a stream or river, a good few acres. A warmer location than Scotland would be good ideally. But Im not in a financial position to take off to rural spain or France. A couple of years back I lived in such a place in Scotland, but like you no soil to grow things. Have you looked into what they have done in dry areas in Spain? and also the Israelies are pretty good at converting desert into productive land, think that's what the kibbutz system did.
The whole thing nags me, I feel a responsibility to take part in the transition on all levels in a positive and useful way, to be prepared even if others arnt, so at least they have somewhere to go, family friends and the guys who work for me and their families!! omg I need to build a village!
But anyway, the most intense aspect of it, is that its the way I feel I should be living anyway. I go to the supermarket and I buy six tomatoes in a thick plastic moulded tray, inside a further plastic wrapper, and I just feel I am stealing. I'm not an eco fascist or anything, I buy some organic, free range etc.
I look around the supermarket, see the abundance, feel so blessed for it, and yet I know I don't always appreciate it either, and yet its a bloody wonder of wonders! Unique in the history of humans on this planet to have such variety and choice from all corners of the world brought to us. And I sometimes think, we will look back on this time where we had everything, and appreciate it!