04-24-2010, 12:00 AM
Dear SHD,
if you understand there is no need to explain. If you are ignorant no explanation will make you understand.
But I dont think that you are ignorant , you are like every human being curious and that is the beginning of every understanding. To speak about the 4th . attention (and also the 2. and 3.th) is little bit like trying to put the empty into the void. Before I speak a note of caution: The Truth is something I have never said.
I am not a qualified 4.th- attention realizer , also far away of the attainments of a fully blown 3.th attention Nagual. So I can offer you merely some personal insights and information.
I think, that human evolution is naturally leading from development of the first attention , to the 2.3. 4. attention ad infinitum. There are spiritual teachings for the accelerated personal development these various attentions. Generally spiritual Traditions put their emphasis on the development of one or two of these attentions. The old seers concentrated mainly on the development of the 2.th attention. With the coming of the new seers a quantum leap into the 3. attention happened . They became frustrated with the achievements of the 2. attention and saw to remain there , it would be an evolutionary dead end street. So their main interest became naturally the development of the 3.th attention.
Spiritual seekers feel attracted to teachings of a particular attention according to their level of development and evolutionary needs. So , if you are developing for some time (could be many , many incarnations) your 3.th attention you become frustrated with concepts of the 3.th attention like evolution , freedom, reincarnation etc.Then there can happen a moment of total resignation -your personal crucification - which I call the "divine accident", because you cannot reach it with your efforts (but without efforts you have also no chance) . When all your conceptual striving stopps, you start to get glimpses of the 4.th attention and become naturally attracted to the teachings for the development of the 4.th attention.
It is not known to me , if the Nagual - Tradition has teachings for the development of the 4.th attention. As far as I know in the Indian spiritual tradition there are exampels of 4.th level teachings in the Advaita Vedanta , Pantajalis Raja Yoga , the Siddha Yoga of Kashmir Shivaism and Tibetan maha ati (dzogchen and mahamudra) and last but not least : Chan or Zen.
A good philosophical approach to the concept of the 4 attentions you can find in the works of the Indian sage Sri Aurobindo (Integral Yoga , the Divine Life).
The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.
The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.
Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.
Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.
Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.
if you understand there is no need to explain. If you are ignorant no explanation will make you understand.
But I dont think that you are ignorant , you are like every human being curious and that is the beginning of every understanding. To speak about the 4th . attention (and also the 2. and 3.th) is little bit like trying to put the empty into the void. Before I speak a note of caution: The Truth is something I have never said.
I am not a qualified 4.th- attention realizer , also far away of the attainments of a fully blown 3.th attention Nagual. So I can offer you merely some personal insights and information.
I think, that human evolution is naturally leading from development of the first attention , to the 2.3. 4. attention ad infinitum. There are spiritual teachings for the accelerated personal development these various attentions. Generally spiritual Traditions put their emphasis on the development of one or two of these attentions. The old seers concentrated mainly on the development of the 2.th attention. With the coming of the new seers a quantum leap into the 3. attention happened . They became frustrated with the achievements of the 2. attention and saw to remain there , it would be an evolutionary dead end street. So their main interest became naturally the development of the 3.th attention.
Spiritual seekers feel attracted to teachings of a particular attention according to their level of development and evolutionary needs. So , if you are developing for some time (could be many , many incarnations) your 3.th attention you become frustrated with concepts of the 3.th attention like evolution , freedom, reincarnation etc.Then there can happen a moment of total resignation -your personal crucification - which I call the "divine accident", because you cannot reach it with your efforts (but without efforts you have also no chance) . When all your conceptual striving stopps, you start to get glimpses of the 4.th attention and become naturally attracted to the teachings for the development of the 4.th attention.
It is not known to me , if the Nagual - Tradition has teachings for the development of the 4.th attention. As far as I know in the Indian spiritual tradition there are exampels of 4.th level teachings in the Advaita Vedanta , Pantajalis Raja Yoga , the Siddha Yoga of Kashmir Shivaism and Tibetan maha ati (dzogchen and mahamudra) and last but not least : Chan or Zen.
A good philosophical approach to the concept of the 4 attentions you can find in the works of the Indian sage Sri Aurobindo (Integral Yoga , the Divine Life).
The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.
The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.
Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.
Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.
Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.