03-19-2011, 12:01 AM
Nu Lang wrote:
Sedna wrote:
Nu Lang wrote:
Seems to me the heart of the matter is people rarely pay attention. The nagual is always there speaking, who will answer the call?...such are rare people.
So this Forest Wolf, who I don't think I know?? Was a trickster. But whats revealed is whats fixed in place that views the world as "should be such and such and so and so." So its an opportunity to see that, as painful as it may be at first. Tricksters aer good to have around as long as a good nagual is present when the **** hits the fan. Otherwise chaos is too great.
Naguals by nature 'seem' 'reasonable' and thus buffer the onslaught of the unknown.
Ok here, finally...could you please describe this in more detail. I believe this is at the heart of the matter.
The art of stalking is the riddle of the heart; the puzzlement sorcerers feel upon becoming aware of two things: first that the world appears to us to be unalterably objective and factual, because of peculiarities of our awareness and perception; second, that if different peculiarities of perception come into play, the very things about the world that seem so unalterably objective and factual change.
What a trickster can do for example, is they can alter the facts that people rested upon via the disguises they wear. When the facts are altered, people can become upset due to the revealing of being deceived and thus of not having control over the world as they perceived. So what is altered is this very need to have control in the first place, that's what should be stalked to the ap becomes fluid and one can handle any situation with ease and smiling. Takes time of course. So this is how a trickster for example can stalk a person to help them see, but of course no one can make another see, they can only take them to a threshold and then either one's rational explanation is abandoned or reinforced. If its abandoned, the energy redeploys and they see. This has to occur many times over, repetition, due to the flyer's influence which will seek to reestablish that rational fix...(keeps the chicken in the coop).
Better NL, and I appreciate your making the effort. I'd still like an actual example.
Sedna wrote:
Nu Lang wrote:
Seems to me the heart of the matter is people rarely pay attention. The nagual is always there speaking, who will answer the call?...such are rare people.
So this Forest Wolf, who I don't think I know?? Was a trickster. But whats revealed is whats fixed in place that views the world as "should be such and such and so and so." So its an opportunity to see that, as painful as it may be at first. Tricksters aer good to have around as long as a good nagual is present when the **** hits the fan. Otherwise chaos is too great.
Naguals by nature 'seem' 'reasonable' and thus buffer the onslaught of the unknown.
Ok here, finally...could you please describe this in more detail. I believe this is at the heart of the matter.
The art of stalking is the riddle of the heart; the puzzlement sorcerers feel upon becoming aware of two things: first that the world appears to us to be unalterably objective and factual, because of peculiarities of our awareness and perception; second, that if different peculiarities of perception come into play, the very things about the world that seem so unalterably objective and factual change.
What a trickster can do for example, is they can alter the facts that people rested upon via the disguises they wear. When the facts are altered, people can become upset due to the revealing of being deceived and thus of not having control over the world as they perceived. So what is altered is this very need to have control in the first place, that's what should be stalked to the ap becomes fluid and one can handle any situation with ease and smiling. Takes time of course. So this is how a trickster for example can stalk a person to help them see, but of course no one can make another see, they can only take them to a threshold and then either one's rational explanation is abandoned or reinforced. If its abandoned, the energy redeploys and they see. This has to occur many times over, repetition, due to the flyer's influence which will seek to reestablish that rational fix...(keeps the chicken in the coop).
Better NL, and I appreciate your making the effort. I'd still like an actual example.