03-19-2011, 12:01 AM
Nu Lang wrote:
What a trickster can do for example, is they can alter the facts that people rested upon via the disguises they wear. When the facts are altered, people can become upset due to the revealing of being deceived and thus of not having control over the world as they perceived. So what is altered is this very need to have control in the first place, that's what should be stalked to the ap becomes fluid and one can handle any situation with ease and smiling. Takes time of course. So this is how a trickster for example can stalk a person to help them see, but of course no one can make another see, they can only take them to a threshold and then either one's rational explanation is abandoned or reinforced. If its abandoned, the energy redeploys and they see. This has to occur many times over, repetition, due to the flyer's influence which will seek to reestablish that rational fix...(keeps the chicken in the coop). When I read CC's books, what I understood of the tricks was a person being prop'd into a space of dual realities (their own and the one in front of them) and that space, which is ordinarily destructive to a ordinary person as people who experience breaks in the continuity generally go crazy), was used by the nagual to shove them into second attention. Second attention, as I understand it, was a more heightened awareness. Ordinarily people are not able to reach heightened awareness on their own, without drugs, so that a nagual had to employ trickery to soften up the glue that holds one in first attention. After being shoved, skillfully, into second attention a certain number of times one could then prop themselves into it. My understanding is that it took a fair amount of time in the second attention to be able to sustain it.
Without getting into whether this person was using stalking, did the trickster cause people to go into heightened awareness? I couldn't possibly know this because you didn't include an example. Did anyone make this inquiry? However, as there is some debate between those who saw what happened one way and those who saw it another way, it is possible. All I can assertain from that is that whatever happened was viewable in different ways on different levels...I'd still like a clear example.
Also, if people went into heightened awareness did the trickster do anything with it, guide in any way? This would be one way to determine if the trickster was a nagual. Again, without examples I can't compare it against the books. Anyways, not sure how much value secondhand accounts of it are.
What a trickster can do for example, is they can alter the facts that people rested upon via the disguises they wear. When the facts are altered, people can become upset due to the revealing of being deceived and thus of not having control over the world as they perceived. So what is altered is this very need to have control in the first place, that's what should be stalked to the ap becomes fluid and one can handle any situation with ease and smiling. Takes time of course. So this is how a trickster for example can stalk a person to help them see, but of course no one can make another see, they can only take them to a threshold and then either one's rational explanation is abandoned or reinforced. If its abandoned, the energy redeploys and they see. This has to occur many times over, repetition, due to the flyer's influence which will seek to reestablish that rational fix...(keeps the chicken in the coop). When I read CC's books, what I understood of the tricks was a person being prop'd into a space of dual realities (their own and the one in front of them) and that space, which is ordinarily destructive to a ordinary person as people who experience breaks in the continuity generally go crazy), was used by the nagual to shove them into second attention. Second attention, as I understand it, was a more heightened awareness. Ordinarily people are not able to reach heightened awareness on their own, without drugs, so that a nagual had to employ trickery to soften up the glue that holds one in first attention. After being shoved, skillfully, into second attention a certain number of times one could then prop themselves into it. My understanding is that it took a fair amount of time in the second attention to be able to sustain it.
Without getting into whether this person was using stalking, did the trickster cause people to go into heightened awareness? I couldn't possibly know this because you didn't include an example. Did anyone make this inquiry? However, as there is some debate between those who saw what happened one way and those who saw it another way, it is possible. All I can assertain from that is that whatever happened was viewable in different ways on different levels...I'd still like a clear example.
Also, if people went into heightened awareness did the trickster do anything with it, guide in any way? This would be one way to determine if the trickster was a nagual. Again, without examples I can't compare it against the books. Anyways, not sure how much value secondhand accounts of it are.