03-19-2011, 12:01 AM
Gonzo wrote:
Heh. I equate the goal described by don Juan in "Tales of Power" (achieving the totality of self) with being an honest man, a person with, as Zen would say, no points to defend. Prior to that achievement, the person is vulnerable to insult, disrespect, etc...all items of self-importance, the very items the mentioned "trickster" exposed.
Then you and I are in agreement on this point. To me it is a return to one's true self and involves a level of clarity. It would seem to me that we leave this in favor of an invented self, one that is created to protect us (from what, I don't know) and be more socially acceptable. It would seem that this is intesified by one's families, communities, and society which attempts to force upon one an image of the way they should be. When people give up who they are in favor of being who they are suppose to be this represents a break from the real world. It would seem to me that people then step outside of the real world and their real life into this made up world that is primarily made up with words. In other words, one begins to live inside contepts.
The inability to speak of things like stalking others directly would be one symptom of this. An example might look like two people (a true self and an invented self) witness a car accident. The true self describes how the two cars were traveling and how one failed to stop at a stop sign and that they then crashed. The invented self describes that the driver was drunk but cannot relate the details. The invented self can only speak in inventions.
However, I am still not clear on how stalking (whether self, others, or things) will help one go from their invented self to their true self.
Heh. I equate the goal described by don Juan in "Tales of Power" (achieving the totality of self) with being an honest man, a person with, as Zen would say, no points to defend. Prior to that achievement, the person is vulnerable to insult, disrespect, etc...all items of self-importance, the very items the mentioned "trickster" exposed.
Then you and I are in agreement on this point. To me it is a return to one's true self and involves a level of clarity. It would seem to me that we leave this in favor of an invented self, one that is created to protect us (from what, I don't know) and be more socially acceptable. It would seem that this is intesified by one's families, communities, and society which attempts to force upon one an image of the way they should be. When people give up who they are in favor of being who they are suppose to be this represents a break from the real world. It would seem to me that people then step outside of the real world and their real life into this made up world that is primarily made up with words. In other words, one begins to live inside contepts.
The inability to speak of things like stalking others directly would be one symptom of this. An example might look like two people (a true self and an invented self) witness a car accident. The true self describes how the two cars were traveling and how one failed to stop at a stop sign and that they then crashed. The invented self describes that the driver was drunk but cannot relate the details. The invented self can only speak in inventions.
However, I am still not clear on how stalking (whether self, others, or things) will help one go from their invented self to their true self.