03-19-2011, 12:02 AM
datura8 wrote:
Sedna wrote:
I get that there was an agreement formed about what means what. I get that there is an agreement by a minority within this group that stalking others is a valid technique. What I don't get is how.
It seems to me that whatever that person did, even if it was good, didn't work. Seems to me that what that person did, in the view of those who thought it was good, was sort of the ultimate test. If the ultimate test did not work then that would suggest that it does not work. However, this minority who insists stalking others continues even in the face of it not working.
I'd like to take this subject out of the conceptual and bring it into the actual. I really would like some real life examples...from either group (for or against). Let's make this clear. I hope that no one disagrees that what we have on the subject is not as clear as it could be. Perhaps consider it stalking this thing called stalking (rather than self or other)...and I'd like to think it is an inquiry that both sides could participate in. Perhaps, by participating in making this clearer, each side would see something that right now is hidden (I don't know what that something might be...but just saying). Perhaps when seen clearly there will be no more misunderstandings on the subject.Hi Sedna. Just wanted to say your posts are great.
I can give a stalking example. One night I was out late with another man. My boyfriend, he had a suspicion because I broke a date with him. He sent me a text and an email and I didn't respond. So he got in his car, drove to my place and camped out there all night, until I had to be at work in the morning. I didn't come home, he left, and broke up with me the next day. I was stalked by him for sure. To have a sneaky suspicion, then go and park your car and just watch all night, looking to 'catch prey' is stalking. He may have not been into Castaneda, but he did end up using the techniques. He snuck it on me, then the next day revealed what he had done.
Thanks, and yes I agree that this is stalking by every definition...but am not sure this is what Castaneda was suggesting. If that guy hadn't broken up with you, I hope you would have broken up with him...what a creep. However, that you broke a date with him for another guy should have been indication enough that you didn't really want to be with him in the first place. Pfft men...what are you going to do?!
Sedna wrote:
I get that there was an agreement formed about what means what. I get that there is an agreement by a minority within this group that stalking others is a valid technique. What I don't get is how.
It seems to me that whatever that person did, even if it was good, didn't work. Seems to me that what that person did, in the view of those who thought it was good, was sort of the ultimate test. If the ultimate test did not work then that would suggest that it does not work. However, this minority who insists stalking others continues even in the face of it not working.
I'd like to take this subject out of the conceptual and bring it into the actual. I really would like some real life examples...from either group (for or against). Let's make this clear. I hope that no one disagrees that what we have on the subject is not as clear as it could be. Perhaps consider it stalking this thing called stalking (rather than self or other)...and I'd like to think it is an inquiry that both sides could participate in. Perhaps, by participating in making this clearer, each side would see something that right now is hidden (I don't know what that something might be...but just saying). Perhaps when seen clearly there will be no more misunderstandings on the subject.Hi Sedna. Just wanted to say your posts are great.
I can give a stalking example. One night I was out late with another man. My boyfriend, he had a suspicion because I broke a date with him. He sent me a text and an email and I didn't respond. So he got in his car, drove to my place and camped out there all night, until I had to be at work in the morning. I didn't come home, he left, and broke up with me the next day. I was stalked by him for sure. To have a sneaky suspicion, then go and park your car and just watch all night, looking to 'catch prey' is stalking. He may have not been into Castaneda, but he did end up using the techniques. He snuck it on me, then the next day revealed what he had done.
Thanks, and yes I agree that this is stalking by every definition...but am not sure this is what Castaneda was suggesting. If that guy hadn't broken up with you, I hope you would have broken up with him...what a creep. However, that you broke a date with him for another guy should have been indication enough that you didn't really want to be with him in the first place. Pfft men...what are you going to do?!