03-20-2011, 12:02 AM
alien wrote:
Stalking (in the Toltec sense) has been called "the art of controlled folly." The ordinary person actually believes that everything "matters" - so they go through life ruled & controlled by their beliefs, reactions, and so on. The ordinary man lives INSIDE the drama, not realizing he is an actor in a finite play. The warrior, on the other hand, knows NOTHING matters in the big picture, so the warrior's folly is "controlled" - meaning that the warrior does everything with the awareness that it is a script written on water in disappearing ink. The warrior is keenly aware that s/he IS in a play, and through stalking that awareness, learns to be more in touch with the core-authentic-self as opposed to merely acting out the role of her character.
Put very simply, stalking brings the warrior face to face with her authentic self and, in doing so, makes available the option to open one's eyes inside the double (outside the box, beyond the play).
I think Castaneda used the term "stalking" because it's very much like a game of cat-and-mouse. When we first start on the warrior path as newbies, we still hold certain beliefs that are precious to us; but as we learn to not only observe those beliefs but also question WHY we hold to them, we begin to realize that virtually everything about us is "false" as a result of our social/cultural programming and the foreign installation. At first, maybe we're outraged or disappointed, but ultimately, it's like the rabbit hole of perception/awareness. The more we observe and "stalk" our beliefs - literally playing cat-and-mouse with them at times - the more we come to realize that our mortal "identity" is largely rooted in the character we've been playing throughout our lives. It's when we strip away the false attributes of that character that we begin to uncover the true, authentic self - which is the seat of our personal power.
Stalking others through OBSERVATION is one way to learn things about oneself, of course. But stalking others for the purpose of trying to teach them or change them in some way... is just folly, and almost always ends badly.
This would seem to support exactly what Gonzo was saying about the stalker, unfortunately, because before you seemed opposed to Gonzo's characterization of it. This is also much more clear of a description, thank you. When the stalker came and did whatever the stalker did, according to what you are saying here, either everything mattered to the people in the group because they were ordinary people who had not yet reached the understanding that nothing matters or it didn't matter because they were warriors and free of going through life ruled and controled by their beliefs and reactions. Is that what you meant? Although, I would agree with you that doing it to teach others ends badly, I think you mentioned once about teaching pigs to fly on your website and you know that just can't end well. Your description also brings me back to my question, because what you are saying would suggest that the people in this group could really help each other, if they were not free now to become free, so why are there no threads of people asking for help stalking something about themselves?
Stalking (in the Toltec sense) has been called "the art of controlled folly." The ordinary person actually believes that everything "matters" - so they go through life ruled & controlled by their beliefs, reactions, and so on. The ordinary man lives INSIDE the drama, not realizing he is an actor in a finite play. The warrior, on the other hand, knows NOTHING matters in the big picture, so the warrior's folly is "controlled" - meaning that the warrior does everything with the awareness that it is a script written on water in disappearing ink. The warrior is keenly aware that s/he IS in a play, and through stalking that awareness, learns to be more in touch with the core-authentic-self as opposed to merely acting out the role of her character.
Put very simply, stalking brings the warrior face to face with her authentic self and, in doing so, makes available the option to open one's eyes inside the double (outside the box, beyond the play).
I think Castaneda used the term "stalking" because it's very much like a game of cat-and-mouse. When we first start on the warrior path as newbies, we still hold certain beliefs that are precious to us; but as we learn to not only observe those beliefs but also question WHY we hold to them, we begin to realize that virtually everything about us is "false" as a result of our social/cultural programming and the foreign installation. At first, maybe we're outraged or disappointed, but ultimately, it's like the rabbit hole of perception/awareness. The more we observe and "stalk" our beliefs - literally playing cat-and-mouse with them at times - the more we come to realize that our mortal "identity" is largely rooted in the character we've been playing throughout our lives. It's when we strip away the false attributes of that character that we begin to uncover the true, authentic self - which is the seat of our personal power.
Stalking others through OBSERVATION is one way to learn things about oneself, of course. But stalking others for the purpose of trying to teach them or change them in some way... is just folly, and almost always ends badly.
This would seem to support exactly what Gonzo was saying about the stalker, unfortunately, because before you seemed opposed to Gonzo's characterization of it. This is also much more clear of a description, thank you. When the stalker came and did whatever the stalker did, according to what you are saying here, either everything mattered to the people in the group because they were ordinary people who had not yet reached the understanding that nothing matters or it didn't matter because they were warriors and free of going through life ruled and controled by their beliefs and reactions. Is that what you meant? Although, I would agree with you that doing it to teach others ends badly, I think you mentioned once about teaching pigs to fly on your website and you know that just can't end well. Your description also brings me back to my question, because what you are saying would suggest that the people in this group could really help each other, if they were not free now to become free, so why are there no threads of people asking for help stalking something about themselves?