07-09-2008, 12:00 AM
Maybe I used the term Second Attention incorrectly. I tend to equate it with the Tibetan term "Rigpa", or Non-Dualistic Attention.
In other words, Mindfulness, awareness or experience that transcends subject and object.
But in order to cultivate it, we have to use the stuff from our ordinary life as MS helpfully suggested.
Distasteful People and Things that provoke us to react are ideal for studying ourselves and training our mind.
If we choose them for our growth, rather than reject them out of hand is to take a different path.
Is the nagual used in this sense to mean Objective Reality?
When I said Nagual I meant Spirit-Self beyond the Tonal.
Non-Dualistic Attention is apropiate in the stalking context, but not in dreaming. The Second Attention, in nagual terms, is the Dreaming Attention. Tibetans
don't really work dreaming the same way. They perceive the dwellers of the six bardos, not the energetic realities of the subtle world (as far as I know).
Nagual seership and tibetan buddhism is a powerful combination. You can take the best of both traditions.
As for Objective Reality... I don't think that exist below Nirvana. The subtle worlds of energy and the physical are very subjective. It takes great
enlightenment and great knowledge to be truly objective. It is remarkably easy to distort the perceptions of the subtle world or misinterpret them.
That is why a good hearted benefactor or Guru (or several ones) are needed for an overall development.
The history of Tilopa and Naropa speaks volumes of this fact.
In other words, Mindfulness, awareness or experience that transcends subject and object.
But in order to cultivate it, we have to use the stuff from our ordinary life as MS helpfully suggested.
Distasteful People and Things that provoke us to react are ideal for studying ourselves and training our mind.
If we choose them for our growth, rather than reject them out of hand is to take a different path.
Is the nagual used in this sense to mean Objective Reality?
When I said Nagual I meant Spirit-Self beyond the Tonal.
Non-Dualistic Attention is apropiate in the stalking context, but not in dreaming. The Second Attention, in nagual terms, is the Dreaming Attention. Tibetans
don't really work dreaming the same way. They perceive the dwellers of the six bardos, not the energetic realities of the subtle world (as far as I know).
Nagual seership and tibetan buddhism is a powerful combination. You can take the best of both traditions.
As for Objective Reality... I don't think that exist below Nirvana. The subtle worlds of energy and the physical are very subjective. It takes great
enlightenment and great knowledge to be truly objective. It is remarkably easy to distort the perceptions of the subtle world or misinterpret them.
That is why a good hearted benefactor or Guru (or several ones) are needed for an overall development.
The history of Tilopa and Naropa speaks volumes of this fact.