10-18-2014, 12:00 AM
Gugeyewalker wrote:
QS: Where do the flyers come in? Simply put, the flyers described in Castaneda's work are nothing more than shadows created by fear. So many warriors fear the flyers are eating their awareness, or draining their energy, when the actuality is that the warrior's fear creates the reality in which the warrior is losing awareness and energy - not because any extant flyer is nibbling away at the fringes of his energy, but because his BELIEF that it is happening creates the reality wherein it IS happening.
So is there a flyer, whether it existed before or after one creates it? No. It is an imagined fear, manifested, which does not exist as an extant being unto itself. Put another way, if there were no humans on earth, there would be no flyers. The flyers are transient tulpas, energetic manifestations created by thought and, especially, by fear.
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To say that the flyers do not exist unless you believe in them contradicts the original grand revelation about the origins of the foreign installation. As Castaneda tells it, when Don Juan showed and told him about the flyers, he resisted the idea in a manic way. In my own experiences, I 'knew' something was up in my own life - a kind of foreign entity that was hanging about especially in dreams with a reoccuring feel, long before I knew anything about the flyers as described by Castaneda. At the time I thought it was only affecting me, that there was something about me in particular that had picked up this thing which tried to be a kind of big brother watching me and I did not particularly care for it.
I think this was a great way to discover the existance of the flyers, having found about it through my own devices first to later have it clarified and elaborated on via Castaneda's revelations. So in a way, the revelations about the flyers are just the reverse of what you propose...
Getting control of fear, becoming lucid in waking life and dreams, and practicing internal silence, detaches you from the flyer so you can see it from the outside. When that happens it vexes the foreign installation which will often look at you as if not sure what to do (until it decides to go ahead and attack again), and fascinates the perciever. The fascination may later turn into fear and this is understandable. Eventually you haveto come to a point where you say to yourself 'This is jsut the way it is and I can't do much about it." For a time I was so distraught that my species is infected that I became anti-social and averse to relationships and family. In my opinion this is one of the worst things you can do. Even though we are all under assault, you can still take comfort with your fellow man so long as you don't get entrapped in too much drama (this is stalking I think).
Onto your earlier points about the hive-mind.
I think you are right. Somehow over the last six to twenty thousand years our species discovered language, art, and a way of communication that requires thinking as we know it today. So the minds share a collective belief system. The problem is that often the belief systems do us no justice and are suspiciously stupid or unsophisticated. It encourages people to take at face value exactly what they are told without observing the data themselves. Over time we have become docile thinkers, and will gladly think based only on what we are taught.
Let me quote Christopher Hitchens here as I notice some fascinating parallels...
" I mean to say it infects us in our most basic integrity. It says we can't be moral without Big Brother, without Totalitarian permission. Means we can't be good to one another without this. We must be afraid. We must also be forced to love someone who we fear. The essence of sadomasochism. The essence of humiliation. The essence of the master-slave relation. And that knows that death is coming and can't wait to bring it on."
He is actaully talking about religion here. Don juan says about the flyers "They give us their beliefs."
I find it fascinating how most religions hold certain things in common, in spite the fact that they may have arisen in totally seperate parts of the world. Especially when it comes to say 'Our way of thinking is right, yours is not." Even though they are so similar in their beliefs.
So enters science and the age of reason...a step up to be sure. Science strives to observe without bias or emotion. It attempts to prove whether something is true by repeatable experiments and verification - it is what sorcerors might call a high form of stalking. Seers have to adapt a sober view, and not one weighted down by self-importance as this is the origin of all delusion. Religion, including new-age hippies, are very threatened by this. The reason is because science rarely emphasizes the 'self' which is what the flyers apparently need us to do to be able to feed off of us. We are kind of like chickens being injected with hormones (which is self-indulgent thinking) so that we will grow the best meat possible. We are bred and taught to multiply fruitfully. We are told what to think in a way that emphasizes flashes of self-centered emotion, especially fear. Anyone who represents a departure from collective self-absorption is persecuted in society.
A fascinating thing to think about, is that I wonder if the predators realize the destruction they are inflicting upon the earth itself. Greed and laziness leads big industry and capitalism to carelessly destroy the eco-system as evidenced by global warming, and if that continues it will mean the severe reduction of the human population - their food source. This could happen, as our own species have overhunted others into extinction or endangerment on multiple occasions. So you see why the struggle against the foreign installation is a very seriouse and pragmatic one and has many fronts.
QS: Where do the flyers come in? Simply put, the flyers described in Castaneda's work are nothing more than shadows created by fear. So many warriors fear the flyers are eating their awareness, or draining their energy, when the actuality is that the warrior's fear creates the reality in which the warrior is losing awareness and energy - not because any extant flyer is nibbling away at the fringes of his energy, but because his BELIEF that it is happening creates the reality wherein it IS happening.
So is there a flyer, whether it existed before or after one creates it? No. It is an imagined fear, manifested, which does not exist as an extant being unto itself. Put another way, if there were no humans on earth, there would be no flyers. The flyers are transient tulpas, energetic manifestations created by thought and, especially, by fear.
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To say that the flyers do not exist unless you believe in them contradicts the original grand revelation about the origins of the foreign installation. As Castaneda tells it, when Don Juan showed and told him about the flyers, he resisted the idea in a manic way. In my own experiences, I 'knew' something was up in my own life - a kind of foreign entity that was hanging about especially in dreams with a reoccuring feel, long before I knew anything about the flyers as described by Castaneda. At the time I thought it was only affecting me, that there was something about me in particular that had picked up this thing which tried to be a kind of big brother watching me and I did not particularly care for it.
I think this was a great way to discover the existance of the flyers, having found about it through my own devices first to later have it clarified and elaborated on via Castaneda's revelations. So in a way, the revelations about the flyers are just the reverse of what you propose...
Getting control of fear, becoming lucid in waking life and dreams, and practicing internal silence, detaches you from the flyer so you can see it from the outside. When that happens it vexes the foreign installation which will often look at you as if not sure what to do (until it decides to go ahead and attack again), and fascinates the perciever. The fascination may later turn into fear and this is understandable. Eventually you haveto come to a point where you say to yourself 'This is jsut the way it is and I can't do much about it." For a time I was so distraught that my species is infected that I became anti-social and averse to relationships and family. In my opinion this is one of the worst things you can do. Even though we are all under assault, you can still take comfort with your fellow man so long as you don't get entrapped in too much drama (this is stalking I think).
Onto your earlier points about the hive-mind.
I think you are right. Somehow over the last six to twenty thousand years our species discovered language, art, and a way of communication that requires thinking as we know it today. So the minds share a collective belief system. The problem is that often the belief systems do us no justice and are suspiciously stupid or unsophisticated. It encourages people to take at face value exactly what they are told without observing the data themselves. Over time we have become docile thinkers, and will gladly think based only on what we are taught.
Let me quote Christopher Hitchens here as I notice some fascinating parallels...
" I mean to say it infects us in our most basic integrity. It says we can't be moral without Big Brother, without Totalitarian permission. Means we can't be good to one another without this. We must be afraid. We must also be forced to love someone who we fear. The essence of sadomasochism. The essence of humiliation. The essence of the master-slave relation. And that knows that death is coming and can't wait to bring it on."
He is actaully talking about religion here. Don juan says about the flyers "They give us their beliefs."
I find it fascinating how most religions hold certain things in common, in spite the fact that they may have arisen in totally seperate parts of the world. Especially when it comes to say 'Our way of thinking is right, yours is not." Even though they are so similar in their beliefs.
So enters science and the age of reason...a step up to be sure. Science strives to observe without bias or emotion. It attempts to prove whether something is true by repeatable experiments and verification - it is what sorcerors might call a high form of stalking. Seers have to adapt a sober view, and not one weighted down by self-importance as this is the origin of all delusion. Religion, including new-age hippies, are very threatened by this. The reason is because science rarely emphasizes the 'self' which is what the flyers apparently need us to do to be able to feed off of us. We are kind of like chickens being injected with hormones (which is self-indulgent thinking) so that we will grow the best meat possible. We are bred and taught to multiply fruitfully. We are told what to think in a way that emphasizes flashes of self-centered emotion, especially fear. Anyone who represents a departure from collective self-absorption is persecuted in society.
A fascinating thing to think about, is that I wonder if the predators realize the destruction they are inflicting upon the earth itself. Greed and laziness leads big industry and capitalism to carelessly destroy the eco-system as evidenced by global warming, and if that continues it will mean the severe reduction of the human population - their food source. This could happen, as our own species have overhunted others into extinction or endangerment on multiple occasions. So you see why the struggle against the foreign installation is a very seriouse and pragmatic one and has many fronts.