11-15-2005, 12:00 AM
from your considerate reply it is fairly obvious that you are familiar with the subtleties of the FI's modus operandi.good.
you make 3 points:
1)
"First, it is distracting your attention and actions away from gaining control of your mind and seeking freedom from its influence."
this is true of your flyer and every other flyer also so I will not coment on this
3) your third point:
"And lastly, it is actually getting your permission to continue enslaving and controlling you by enticing you to condone the possible scenario where you are its master and it is the slave."
This is not the case in this instance. I can tell you that without a cavil of doubt; I have never nor do I, want to make the flyer, nor any other being, my slave.
furthermore, although plausible such a ploy by a flyer could not work on any person aware of the distinction between the FI and his own mind since to make a slave of anyone in this sense is to invade their mind (to bend their thoughts to do your will) and that is the 'thinking' of a flyer and only an FI (the 5th column) would deliciously accept such an agreement.
It would in effect entail my True mind's being instantly overrun once again by the Flyer and I would not then be aware of the state of mind-freedom which accompanies my free and deliberate choice to do the experiment which I mentioned in my post.
2) more interesting is your second point:
Secondly, it is baiting you into considering an ongoing relationship with it.
This "could" be correct. Let me clarify:
a) it is not baiting me to "begin" a relationship with it, since I already had* that.
b) The experiment was my idea, not the flyers. This I know. perhaps "bargaining" would be a better word than "baiting" (though you could be damn sure it would mercilessly overrun the whole show again the instant it got the slightest chance).
c) The FI is subtle, but it is not invincibly so. If, for example, you were on the point of actually getting rid of your Flyer, you could find yourself thinking: "I have gotten rid of my flyer" and then thinking: ".. but wait, maybe that's just the flyer fooling me into thinking I've gotten rid of it so that I will remain unaware that that it is still there... Oh! that clever clever Flyer" LOL.
obviously there comes a point where you MUST distinguish your true mind from the FI.
a little story:
supposing you were too fat and you needed to stop eating cake. there is a slice of cake in front of you. and suppose your flyer wanted you to eat it.
you say to yourself: " I dont think I'LL have that piece of cake 'cos Im too fat"
the Flyer wouldn't say " go on have the piece of cake. you can have it if you want to"
it will first do the opposite:
it will align with what you want; but it wont say: " you 're right, dont have that piece of cake".
since you already cant distinguish between yourself and it, it will align in the 1st person it will say " I don't want that piece of cake 'cos I'm too fat!! "
then It will say: " I'm not going to have it. no matter How difficult it is "
then: " no matter HOW much I want to "
then: ".. even though I REALLY REALLY want to "
then it will say " jeez! I really really want it"
then: ".. O alright, just one last piece, I'll give it up later" thus gives itself permission LOL
then it moves you hand, grabs the piece of cake, pushes it into your mouth and says "mmm! that was lovely" !
This is how they overcome us: first they align with whatever we think then with what they want us to do. First they run in the same direction that we are running then we find ourselves going along in theirs!- but not if we are energetically awake.
otherwise it doesn't matter which you think, the Flyer plays BOTH opposites of every thought, and unless you are awake, you'll be reeled in by it; if not on the one side then on the opposite; If not on agreement with something then it will "take your side" and disagree with whatever it is that you happen to be disagreeing with at the time.
It doesn't matter to the Flyer; all it cares about is where your yummy awareness is going (i.e. down its throat)....so it might be safer not to 'think' at all LOL.
I make the story about the piece of cake, though, with particular reference to part c) above. For even at the final act of getting rid of the Flyer, it can use your acknowledgement of the fact, (that you had just gotten rid of the Flyer) agree with you, then in order to helpfully make sure it would have you doubt or at least question whether or not you had in fact done it, (because you have to be SURE don't you) and thus begin a frothing bubbling babbling 'self' debate thus walking right back in to its 'former' position using its typical strategy.
You could obviously argue that this very state of affairs would in fact be EVIDENCE that you had NOT gotten rid of the flyer in the first place - the Flyer would revel in such an argument.-
[though this would not necessarily be the case: "return" of Flyer is not the same as the Flyer never having left, even though the end state looks the same i.e. "Flyer present" ]
you could even say that the entire senario was INVENTED by the Flyer for just that purpose (of energy wastage and entanglement)
- or would that be just the Flyer claiming that about the flyer- etc etc and so on ad infinitum.
Why do I go to this length in my reply?
Because accrediting the FI with 'every' thought you have would ensure that you would NEVER escape its clutches and never be able to get rid of it. Obsessive worry about every thought being due to the machinations of the FI is therefore equally dangerous. the FI would absolutely LUXURIATE in such delicious 'worry' thoughts! not to mention the huge amount of mental energy such 'thinking' would expend.
again you might like to consider whether such attribution were not made BY the FI itself for just that purpose.
- W H E W ! -
now on to the other issues:
"The flyer is intangible to most of us. Could you tell us more about how to give it our true mind?"
The Flyer is about as intangible as your mind; neither more nor less. we can only speak 'metaphorically' when we talk of such things because we must borrow from the language of sensory perception, which deals mainly with 'objects' in space and time.
The Important thing about the Flyers, as far as we are concerned, is that they feed on us.i.e. they are PREDATORS and we are PREY. There is NO PLACATING them. Their Intent is to reduce your awareness to nothing. whether they eat it or just play with it is about as relevant to us as whether one is killed by enemy fire or killed by 'friendly' fire.
The important thing is the direction OF THE INTENT.
Their INTENT is to reduce your awareness to nothing (if they actually managed the last bit you'd die) that is the salient point, because the intent of your true mind is just the opposite: ie to not be reduced by any amount whatsoever!
naturally you dont want your mind being overrun by an alien intelligence; the very thought is repugnant to us. If you could see the approach of a flyer and were to 'pull your mind in', so to speak, like a tortoise into its shell, so as to not present an opportunity for it to 'invade' or enter your mind ..you would in fact be making a mistake because for all that has been said about the subtleties of the flyer's intelligence, it is STILL the case that your true mind belongs to YOU and nobody and nothing else. Your command IS the eagle's command and always has been. and the flyer can do nothing with your mind unless you are sloppy and not energetically awake.
the flyer is a bogey, and to retreat from it is to allow it to encroach on what was once your territory. as far as the experiment which I mentioned to you is concerned, the ONLY thing of importance is that amount of your terrain that has been overrun, how much of your terrain your true mind still holds or occupies and particularly the boundary between the two.
My point is sort of like this: for as long as you continue to retreat, by that very act you lose ground that was once yours. It WANTS to have you think in these terms consistent with what is, (from its point of view) 'advance', because for as long as you retreat it gets to 'advance'; it CANNOT advance on it's own; it requires an agreement from you; it requires that you 'invite' it in by your retreat!
and the more you 'close' your mind against it, paradoxically, the more powerful you believe it to be, and the more its power (which is actually NIL) over you becomes!
The ONLY important thing about the fliers is not that they are alien beings or where they came from, (who cares?) the only important thing about them is that their intent is the exact opposite of ourS (namely we want to live, freedom, energy)
nOW if you intend that the battle-line move the other way, so that you can reclaim the territory that is rightfully yours - that is rightfully YOU - you move towardss freedom.
you cannot force it to think with your mind ( no more than it ever forced you to think according to its predillection in the direction of ITs intent), for the act of forceing sets up the intent of opposition, but you can ALLOW it to think with your mind, convert it into more of you, allow it to see and feel the benefits of being 'human', as an act of total generosity to it.
-to convert IT into more of you, to have you inside IT, to fill it with you; to have no part of it that is not filled with you (your essence?).. to have in essence - no flyer
[ This is possible because the "substance" (again we have to borrow language from everyday use) of "mind" and the "substance" out of which the Flyers are made, is the same "substance". awareness that also has/is energy]
however If you act with less than complete generosity to it, then once again it exists, opposing your true intent with its intent; its intent that you cease to exist against your true intent for total freedom.
although in metaphor, this is as best as I can explain it. You might have a better chance of making sense of it if you try to understand it with your awareness instead of with your thoughts.
according to Don Juan, the flyers have no understanding of Discipline - they can't merge with that. and Discipline is still the way I'd recommend to get rid of them -even were it to take a life time.
They have no understanding of true kindness either- they cannot co-exist with it because their intent cannot co-exist with it.
( Ive used a fair bit of energy in this reply to you, I hope you get some good out of it. this is my gift to you )
Let me know if it makes sense to you. ...or maybe it just sounds nuts! LOL
w
you make 3 points:
1)
"First, it is distracting your attention and actions away from gaining control of your mind and seeking freedom from its influence."
this is true of your flyer and every other flyer also so I will not coment on this
3) your third point:
"And lastly, it is actually getting your permission to continue enslaving and controlling you by enticing you to condone the possible scenario where you are its master and it is the slave."
This is not the case in this instance. I can tell you that without a cavil of doubt; I have never nor do I, want to make the flyer, nor any other being, my slave.
furthermore, although plausible such a ploy by a flyer could not work on any person aware of the distinction between the FI and his own mind since to make a slave of anyone in this sense is to invade their mind (to bend their thoughts to do your will) and that is the 'thinking' of a flyer and only an FI (the 5th column) would deliciously accept such an agreement.
It would in effect entail my True mind's being instantly overrun once again by the Flyer and I would not then be aware of the state of mind-freedom which accompanies my free and deliberate choice to do the experiment which I mentioned in my post.
2) more interesting is your second point:
Secondly, it is baiting you into considering an ongoing relationship with it.
This "could" be correct. Let me clarify:
a) it is not baiting me to "begin" a relationship with it, since I already had* that.
b) The experiment was my idea, not the flyers. This I know. perhaps "bargaining" would be a better word than "baiting" (though you could be damn sure it would mercilessly overrun the whole show again the instant it got the slightest chance).
c) The FI is subtle, but it is not invincibly so. If, for example, you were on the point of actually getting rid of your Flyer, you could find yourself thinking: "I have gotten rid of my flyer" and then thinking: ".. but wait, maybe that's just the flyer fooling me into thinking I've gotten rid of it so that I will remain unaware that that it is still there... Oh! that clever clever Flyer" LOL.
obviously there comes a point where you MUST distinguish your true mind from the FI.
a little story:
supposing you were too fat and you needed to stop eating cake. there is a slice of cake in front of you. and suppose your flyer wanted you to eat it.
you say to yourself: " I dont think I'LL have that piece of cake 'cos Im too fat"
the Flyer wouldn't say " go on have the piece of cake. you can have it if you want to"
it will first do the opposite:
it will align with what you want; but it wont say: " you 're right, dont have that piece of cake".
since you already cant distinguish between yourself and it, it will align in the 1st person it will say " I don't want that piece of cake 'cos I'm too fat!! "
then It will say: " I'm not going to have it. no matter How difficult it is "
then: " no matter HOW much I want to "
then: ".. even though I REALLY REALLY want to "
then it will say " jeez! I really really want it"
then: ".. O alright, just one last piece, I'll give it up later" thus gives itself permission LOL
then it moves you hand, grabs the piece of cake, pushes it into your mouth and says "mmm! that was lovely" !
This is how they overcome us: first they align with whatever we think then with what they want us to do. First they run in the same direction that we are running then we find ourselves going along in theirs!- but not if we are energetically awake.
otherwise it doesn't matter which you think, the Flyer plays BOTH opposites of every thought, and unless you are awake, you'll be reeled in by it; if not on the one side then on the opposite; If not on agreement with something then it will "take your side" and disagree with whatever it is that you happen to be disagreeing with at the time.
It doesn't matter to the Flyer; all it cares about is where your yummy awareness is going (i.e. down its throat)....so it might be safer not to 'think' at all LOL.
I make the story about the piece of cake, though, with particular reference to part c) above. For even at the final act of getting rid of the Flyer, it can use your acknowledgement of the fact, (that you had just gotten rid of the Flyer) agree with you, then in order to helpfully make sure it would have you doubt or at least question whether or not you had in fact done it, (because you have to be SURE don't you) and thus begin a frothing bubbling babbling 'self' debate thus walking right back in to its 'former' position using its typical strategy.
You could obviously argue that this very state of affairs would in fact be EVIDENCE that you had NOT gotten rid of the flyer in the first place - the Flyer would revel in such an argument.-
[though this would not necessarily be the case: "return" of Flyer is not the same as the Flyer never having left, even though the end state looks the same i.e. "Flyer present" ]
you could even say that the entire senario was INVENTED by the Flyer for just that purpose (of energy wastage and entanglement)
- or would that be just the Flyer claiming that about the flyer- etc etc and so on ad infinitum.
Why do I go to this length in my reply?
Because accrediting the FI with 'every' thought you have would ensure that you would NEVER escape its clutches and never be able to get rid of it. Obsessive worry about every thought being due to the machinations of the FI is therefore equally dangerous. the FI would absolutely LUXURIATE in such delicious 'worry' thoughts! not to mention the huge amount of mental energy such 'thinking' would expend.
again you might like to consider whether such attribution were not made BY the FI itself for just that purpose.
- W H E W ! -
now on to the other issues:
"The flyer is intangible to most of us. Could you tell us more about how to give it our true mind?"
The Flyer is about as intangible as your mind; neither more nor less. we can only speak 'metaphorically' when we talk of such things because we must borrow from the language of sensory perception, which deals mainly with 'objects' in space and time.
The Important thing about the Flyers, as far as we are concerned, is that they feed on us.i.e. they are PREDATORS and we are PREY. There is NO PLACATING them. Their Intent is to reduce your awareness to nothing. whether they eat it or just play with it is about as relevant to us as whether one is killed by enemy fire or killed by 'friendly' fire.
The important thing is the direction OF THE INTENT.
Their INTENT is to reduce your awareness to nothing (if they actually managed the last bit you'd die) that is the salient point, because the intent of your true mind is just the opposite: ie to not be reduced by any amount whatsoever!
naturally you dont want your mind being overrun by an alien intelligence; the very thought is repugnant to us. If you could see the approach of a flyer and were to 'pull your mind in', so to speak, like a tortoise into its shell, so as to not present an opportunity for it to 'invade' or enter your mind ..you would in fact be making a mistake because for all that has been said about the subtleties of the flyer's intelligence, it is STILL the case that your true mind belongs to YOU and nobody and nothing else. Your command IS the eagle's command and always has been. and the flyer can do nothing with your mind unless you are sloppy and not energetically awake.
the flyer is a bogey, and to retreat from it is to allow it to encroach on what was once your territory. as far as the experiment which I mentioned to you is concerned, the ONLY thing of importance is that amount of your terrain that has been overrun, how much of your terrain your true mind still holds or occupies and particularly the boundary between the two.
My point is sort of like this: for as long as you continue to retreat, by that very act you lose ground that was once yours. It WANTS to have you think in these terms consistent with what is, (from its point of view) 'advance', because for as long as you retreat it gets to 'advance'; it CANNOT advance on it's own; it requires an agreement from you; it requires that you 'invite' it in by your retreat!
and the more you 'close' your mind against it, paradoxically, the more powerful you believe it to be, and the more its power (which is actually NIL) over you becomes!
The ONLY important thing about the fliers is not that they are alien beings or where they came from, (who cares?) the only important thing about them is that their intent is the exact opposite of ourS (namely we want to live, freedom, energy)
nOW if you intend that the battle-line move the other way, so that you can reclaim the territory that is rightfully yours - that is rightfully YOU - you move towardss freedom.
you cannot force it to think with your mind ( no more than it ever forced you to think according to its predillection in the direction of ITs intent), for the act of forceing sets up the intent of opposition, but you can ALLOW it to think with your mind, convert it into more of you, allow it to see and feel the benefits of being 'human', as an act of total generosity to it.
-to convert IT into more of you, to have you inside IT, to fill it with you; to have no part of it that is not filled with you (your essence?).. to have in essence - no flyer
[ This is possible because the "substance" (again we have to borrow language from everyday use) of "mind" and the "substance" out of which the Flyers are made, is the same "substance". awareness that also has/is energy]
however If you act with less than complete generosity to it, then once again it exists, opposing your true intent with its intent; its intent that you cease to exist against your true intent for total freedom.
although in metaphor, this is as best as I can explain it. You might have a better chance of making sense of it if you try to understand it with your awareness instead of with your thoughts.
according to Don Juan, the flyers have no understanding of Discipline - they can't merge with that. and Discipline is still the way I'd recommend to get rid of them -even were it to take a life time.
They have no understanding of true kindness either- they cannot co-exist with it because their intent cannot co-exist with it.
( Ive used a fair bit of energy in this reply to you, I hope you get some good out of it. this is my gift to you )
Let me know if it makes sense to you. ...or maybe it just sounds nuts! LOL
w