11-02-2008, 12:00 AM
artwarrior wrote:
Bob May,
First off let me say I find your post to be fascinating and deeply resonating for me. So, about the FI, suppose you view it as a "complex", you see
it for what it is, or so you think, what is the best way to deal with it?
I am a Christian Qabalist. My way of dealing with it may not be another's.
Again I quote Paul because he distills the wrestlings that go on inside of us.
Romans 7
1
Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he
liveth?
2
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is
loosed from the law of her husband.
3
So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead,
she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him
who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto
death.
6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in
the oldness of the letter.
7
What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the
law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10
And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is
good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which
is good I find not.
19
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is
in my members.
24
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of
sin.
Here Paul writes of his efforts to live up to a set of standards of perfection, the Hebrew Law.
He also writes of his realization that for all of his efforts he has failed to live up to this standard of perfection.
Finally he tells of his realization that this FAILURE is the purpose of the Law. This failure reveals our limitations and our inability to rid ourselves of
this thing which is Other Than ourselves.
We must reach the end of ourselves,..Ego, Self importance, etc. to be able to see our source of Power.
If the flier is not us we must rid ourselves of it.
But how do we do that when we see it as completely intertwined with our own thoughts?
In my opinion we are either filled with a spirit or we are filled with The Spirit.
It all boils down to What or Who our source of Power is. And whether or not we have one.
1. Realize you have a problem. This takes honesty.
2. Identify the fact that since you wish to rid yourself of this problem, the problem is other than you.
3.Admit that you are not up to the task. Otherwise it would never have been an issue.
4.Find a source of power to deal with the problem.
AA will get you to #1 and you can keep on admitting you have a problem once a week for the rest of your life. It helps.
Psychiatry, and many self help systems, it seems, will get you to numbers 3 or 4. These also help.
Mysticism and Magic that deal with pulling down Power or becoming "One With" Power can get you to 4.
Deep subject and a good question. I have been 30 plus years learning to deal with it. There is not a simple answer. But I think what I have said above can at
least be said to be a diection to look for answers.
Bob May,
First off let me say I find your post to be fascinating and deeply resonating for me. So, about the FI, suppose you view it as a "complex", you see
it for what it is, or so you think, what is the best way to deal with it?
I am a Christian Qabalist. My way of dealing with it may not be another's.
Again I quote Paul because he distills the wrestlings that go on inside of us.
Romans 7
1
Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he
liveth?
2
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is
loosed from the law of her husband.
3
So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead,
she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him
who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto
death.
6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in
the oldness of the letter.
7
What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the
law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10
And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is
good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which
is good I find not.
19
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is
in my members.
24
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of
sin.
Here Paul writes of his efforts to live up to a set of standards of perfection, the Hebrew Law.
He also writes of his realization that for all of his efforts he has failed to live up to this standard of perfection.
Finally he tells of his realization that this FAILURE is the purpose of the Law. This failure reveals our limitations and our inability to rid ourselves of
this thing which is Other Than ourselves.
We must reach the end of ourselves,..Ego, Self importance, etc. to be able to see our source of Power.
If the flier is not us we must rid ourselves of it.
But how do we do that when we see it as completely intertwined with our own thoughts?
In my opinion we are either filled with a spirit or we are filled with The Spirit.
It all boils down to What or Who our source of Power is. And whether or not we have one.
1. Realize you have a problem. This takes honesty.
2. Identify the fact that since you wish to rid yourself of this problem, the problem is other than you.
3.Admit that you are not up to the task. Otherwise it would never have been an issue.
4.Find a source of power to deal with the problem.
AA will get you to #1 and you can keep on admitting you have a problem once a week for the rest of your life. It helps.
Psychiatry, and many self help systems, it seems, will get you to numbers 3 or 4. These also help.
Mysticism and Magic that deal with pulling down Power or becoming "One With" Power can get you to 4.
Deep subject and a good question. I have been 30 plus years learning to deal with it. There is not a simple answer. But I think what I have said above can at
least be said to be a diection to look for answers.