12-07-2005, 12:00 AM
Very interesting discussion
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I think it was not Jesus who made Christianity to seem evil, it was not him who said that the cross is his necessary symbol.
He had only said and maybe showed that he had the way to reach the truth we all long for, that he can help us to find a way of peace, and that we shouldn't visit buildings of stone, nor to raise false statues to honor him; the only thing we really have to do is 'to raise a stone from the ground and we will find him'.
That is the meaning of the original Christianity, and the meaning of the origins of all religions. ''Open your eyes, 'see' what is surrounding you, realize that you are not the alpha and the omega of all. Don't get blind to all but your self and you will find a way.''
It is the man that corrupted all that good original ideas. Not the man like Jesus was - that lived with spirit and searched for truth, but the man as shallow as the rain on the road - that not only neglects spirit, but also thinks he will live forever and gives himself for right to underestimate all physical and metaphysical to his shallow personality and infinite selfasteamed ego.
The total sum of people like that is called SOCIETY. And that society is the way it is because money makes the world go around and all unnecessary is primary. People worship false values, they waste their lives in those false illusions.
The Catholic Churge is a political institution as any other, and is a part of the Society.
To have faith, to believe in is totally different thing and can't be socialized or institutionalized. It is an action, it sets up an intent, it collects power and gives a methods for a spiritual growth.
There really is a flyer in that all; Society, human politics, institutionalizing religion...
There maybe wasn't flyer present in Jesus, but was in everybody around him. And, even if Jesus had a flyer, he died fighting it, he tried to defeat it and reject it.
How did Castaneda die? The main question about Castaneda's legacy... All want to know how he died SO MUCH that they forget how he lived.
How he lived is what matters, how he fought to win freedom, how he lived his life full of constant battles with known and unknown. Did he finally manage? Did he escape the Eagle?
We don't know.
We can only say he truly tried to live like a warrior
After all Don Juan said that that being an impeccable warrior is a chance to have a chance.
The idea that Jesus had, was to show to people a way to deal with their flyers, a way for them to claim their freedom. His death was the example to people of that time (2000 years before today) that sometimes to die is the better choice than to live in slavery.
He has indeed chosen to die willingly. He had a power to escape but he didn't. He has made a choice and acted upon it.
Did it ever crossed your mind that he has died just to raise.
Has it ever occurred to you that only his body died, but his attention/spirit/awareness has gone into another domain, that the force of death didn't manage to disintegrate his awareness, that he was an impeccable warrior like Don Juan...Toltec's, true Buddhists, and true warriors in general, no matter how do they call that force that is leading them.
It isn't important how we call that force that creates and decreases; nagual, god, energy...important is that we are aware of its existence and of its presence in our lives and not to long only to define it and transform it to words, because words are mostly as shallow as the society that made them.
There is much more than this words and we know it, but our egos are sometimes hit by the flyer inside us.
There is an option, to fight it, or to let it beat us.
If we have to die fighting it, and we aren't meant to get freedom, than the most we can do is to die fighting it! That is the way of the warrior. Only average person will judge someone's attempts to claim freedom and someone's life full of battles for true power to see more, to be more.
Concerning cross; I don't see a reason why it should be bad or evil.
Some people can be bad and corrupted and the cross they made means nothing, but the cross Jesus died at, and the cross people like Explora see in their visions, people that fight for freedom, that means allot.
But this is only my opinion, consisted of words, that all in all, doesn't mean much.
Castor
...I think it was not Jesus who made Christianity to seem evil, it was not him who said that the cross is his necessary symbol.
He had only said and maybe showed that he had the way to reach the truth we all long for, that he can help us to find a way of peace, and that we shouldn't visit buildings of stone, nor to raise false statues to honor him; the only thing we really have to do is 'to raise a stone from the ground and we will find him'.
That is the meaning of the original Christianity, and the meaning of the origins of all religions. ''Open your eyes, 'see' what is surrounding you, realize that you are not the alpha and the omega of all. Don't get blind to all but your self and you will find a way.''
It is the man that corrupted all that good original ideas. Not the man like Jesus was - that lived with spirit and searched for truth, but the man as shallow as the rain on the road - that not only neglects spirit, but also thinks he will live forever and gives himself for right to underestimate all physical and metaphysical to his shallow personality and infinite selfasteamed ego.
The total sum of people like that is called SOCIETY. And that society is the way it is because money makes the world go around and all unnecessary is primary. People worship false values, they waste their lives in those false illusions.
The Catholic Churge is a political institution as any other, and is a part of the Society.
To have faith, to believe in is totally different thing and can't be socialized or institutionalized. It is an action, it sets up an intent, it collects power and gives a methods for a spiritual growth.
There really is a flyer in that all; Society, human politics, institutionalizing religion...
There maybe wasn't flyer present in Jesus, but was in everybody around him. And, even if Jesus had a flyer, he died fighting it, he tried to defeat it and reject it.
How did Castaneda die? The main question about Castaneda's legacy... All want to know how he died SO MUCH that they forget how he lived.
How he lived is what matters, how he fought to win freedom, how he lived his life full of constant battles with known and unknown. Did he finally manage? Did he escape the Eagle?
We don't know.
We can only say he truly tried to live like a warrior
After all Don Juan said that that being an impeccable warrior is a chance to have a chance.
The idea that Jesus had, was to show to people a way to deal with their flyers, a way for them to claim their freedom. His death was the example to people of that time (2000 years before today) that sometimes to die is the better choice than to live in slavery.
He has indeed chosen to die willingly. He had a power to escape but he didn't. He has made a choice and acted upon it.
Did it ever crossed your mind that he has died just to raise.
Has it ever occurred to you that only his body died, but his attention/spirit/awareness has gone into another domain, that the force of death didn't manage to disintegrate his awareness, that he was an impeccable warrior like Don Juan...Toltec's, true Buddhists, and true warriors in general, no matter how do they call that force that is leading them.
It isn't important how we call that force that creates and decreases; nagual, god, energy...important is that we are aware of its existence and of its presence in our lives and not to long only to define it and transform it to words, because words are mostly as shallow as the society that made them.
There is much more than this words and we know it, but our egos are sometimes hit by the flyer inside us.
There is an option, to fight it, or to let it beat us.
If we have to die fighting it, and we aren't meant to get freedom, than the most we can do is to die fighting it! That is the way of the warrior. Only average person will judge someone's attempts to claim freedom and someone's life full of battles for true power to see more, to be more.
Concerning cross; I don't see a reason why it should be bad or evil.
Some people can be bad and corrupted and the cross they made means nothing, but the cross Jesus died at, and the cross people like Explora see in their visions, people that fight for freedom, that means allot.
But this is only my opinion, consisted of words, that all in all, doesn't mean much.
Castor