06-04-2012, 12:00 AM
Gonzo wrote:
Might I point out that the following sentences, far from disavowing human emotion, merely state one might consider not becoming attached thereto:
At all times his seeing and hearing are normal; there are no further details or subtleties beyond this. He does not close his eyes or block his ears; it is enough that feelings do not attach to things.
True unconcern has to do with attachment, not with diminution of the human experience.If a man were TRULY unconcerned, he would essentially have no feelings and no reaction. That is the definition of unconcerned: to be without feeling or reaction to events. That is also the definition of a zombie. Heh.
You and I have had this discussion many times over the years. You've even accused me of "flying in the face of 10,000 years of tradition" (something to that effect, particularly with regard to the idea of "re-incarnation"), and what it really comes down to is that I think you are "attached" to the notions of Zen, whereas I see Zen as just another program (so is Toltec, btw). I'm not defending or attacking either one. I'm simply pointing out that each system of knowledge comes with its own rhetoric and dogma, and the only way to overcome one program is to reject them all.
Zen calls it "unconcern." Toltec calls it "detachment". Both are perhaps worthy of exploration, but to adopt either as gospel is to BE concerned and to BE attached.
The program is self-replicating.
Might I point out that the following sentences, far from disavowing human emotion, merely state one might consider not becoming attached thereto:
At all times his seeing and hearing are normal; there are no further details or subtleties beyond this. He does not close his eyes or block his ears; it is enough that feelings do not attach to things.
True unconcern has to do with attachment, not with diminution of the human experience.If a man were TRULY unconcerned, he would essentially have no feelings and no reaction. That is the definition of unconcerned: to be without feeling or reaction to events. That is also the definition of a zombie. Heh.
You and I have had this discussion many times over the years. You've even accused me of "flying in the face of 10,000 years of tradition" (something to that effect, particularly with regard to the idea of "re-incarnation"), and what it really comes down to is that I think you are "attached" to the notions of Zen, whereas I see Zen as just another program (so is Toltec, btw). I'm not defending or attacking either one. I'm simply pointing out that each system of knowledge comes with its own rhetoric and dogma, and the only way to overcome one program is to reject them all.
Zen calls it "unconcern." Toltec calls it "detachment". Both are perhaps worthy of exploration, but to adopt either as gospel is to BE concerned and to BE attached.
The program is self-replicating.