01-14-2011, 12:00 AM
ninth octave wrote:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. By the middle of the second verse of Genesis, the earth was made without form and was void. hmmm... Being in flesh and blood bodies we are living in the forth (lowest) world in Kabbalistic terms. The world of matter.
Peeking outside this world is what Don Juan's stopping the world is all about. How do we do that?
Don Juan said that stopping the internal dialog is the most important thing he ever taught Carlos. When you do this world of matter begins to "talk to you" in the respect that "..the world agreeing with us".. or .."reaffirmations from the world around us" as Don Juan described it.
Jesus said ""..if these should hold their peace", I tell you even the very rocks would cry out." I believe he was saying the same thing.
But back to my point. As you said God created heaven and earth yet there was still no form. He also made light even though there was no sun, moon, or stars yet. He also at one point says there was "not yet a man to till the ground." This was after He had already Created Adam (mankind)
The above illustration shows the four worlds that reflect both man and the universe.
You can follow these four worlds in Genesis in the same order that man came into existence.
In my opinion the first, highest world is not covered.
The bible starts at the beginning Creation. Prior to that there is no time or space, so it IS the beginning. God Created!!! Formless and void.
Man was also first Created.
Then we start to get Forms, still not matter...
Man is Formed of the "dust of the ground."
Eve is formed from Adam he falls into a deep sleep. (It never says he wakes up does it?)
This is the separation of our soul and spirit.
Forth, and this is my point, We are given coats of skins and sent out of the garden.
This is when we entered the world of MATTER and this is our physical bodies. (Malkuth in the chart above.)
These bodies were already here. Whether cromagnum sp? or Lucy or whatever it does not matter.
Looking at Genesis in terms of Time can only get you so far. It is also helpful to me to see it in terms of layers density. Or maybe levels of manifestation would be better.
It is a very deep study and I didn't want to get tooo far into it but just the point that these bodies were prepared for us and waiting for us here where we would be needing them. In the world of matter.
The sons of God and the daughters of men and their offspring called the "Men of Renoun" and "Giants", may or may not be something entirely different. (I have read the book of Enoch)
But the "Creation Story" as it concerns Man does not touch on Matter as we know it until the expulsion from the Garden.
You could actually look at us as "foriegn installations" of primate bodies. That would have been what we call "The Fall."
I could be wrong on this but, like I said there seems to be a lot of evidence to support it. A whole race (Mankind) leaving their home and jumping into new homes.
Kind of like the "Sons of God". They needed bodies also to take wives of the daughters of men. Or are we the sons of god???
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. By the middle of the second verse of Genesis, the earth was made without form and was void. hmmm... Being in flesh and blood bodies we are living in the forth (lowest) world in Kabbalistic terms. The world of matter.
Peeking outside this world is what Don Juan's stopping the world is all about. How do we do that?
Don Juan said that stopping the internal dialog is the most important thing he ever taught Carlos. When you do this world of matter begins to "talk to you" in the respect that "..the world agreeing with us".. or .."reaffirmations from the world around us" as Don Juan described it.
Jesus said ""..if these should hold their peace", I tell you even the very rocks would cry out." I believe he was saying the same thing.
But back to my point. As you said God created heaven and earth yet there was still no form. He also made light even though there was no sun, moon, or stars yet. He also at one point says there was "not yet a man to till the ground." This was after He had already Created Adam (mankind)
The above illustration shows the four worlds that reflect both man and the universe.
You can follow these four worlds in Genesis in the same order that man came into existence.
In my opinion the first, highest world is not covered.
The bible starts at the beginning Creation. Prior to that there is no time or space, so it IS the beginning. God Created!!! Formless and void.
Man was also first Created.
Then we start to get Forms, still not matter...
Man is Formed of the "dust of the ground."
Eve is formed from Adam he falls into a deep sleep. (It never says he wakes up does it?)
This is the separation of our soul and spirit.
Forth, and this is my point, We are given coats of skins and sent out of the garden.
This is when we entered the world of MATTER and this is our physical bodies. (Malkuth in the chart above.)
These bodies were already here. Whether cromagnum sp? or Lucy or whatever it does not matter.
Looking at Genesis in terms of Time can only get you so far. It is also helpful to me to see it in terms of layers density. Or maybe levels of manifestation would be better.
It is a very deep study and I didn't want to get tooo far into it but just the point that these bodies were prepared for us and waiting for us here where we would be needing them. In the world of matter.
The sons of God and the daughters of men and their offspring called the "Men of Renoun" and "Giants", may or may not be something entirely different. (I have read the book of Enoch)
But the "Creation Story" as it concerns Man does not touch on Matter as we know it until the expulsion from the Garden.
You could actually look at us as "foriegn installations" of primate bodies. That would have been what we call "The Fall."
I could be wrong on this but, like I said there seems to be a lot of evidence to support it. A whole race (Mankind) leaving their home and jumping into new homes.
Kind of like the "Sons of God". They needed bodies also to take wives of the daughters of men. Or are we the sons of god???