01-22-2011, 12:00 AM
ninth octave wrote:
What is the mark was that God placed on Cain after he murdered his brother?
Cain is the carnal side of mankind. The side that represents the Old Covenant which is based on the law mentality.
There was to be a future redemption symbolised by the TAV or "mark" placed on his forehead. Tav is the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet and carries such meanings as signature, seal, covenant, guarantee, etc. It is a promise, basically. Specifically here to prevent Cain's death.
Originally the Tav was the shape of a Christian cross in ancient Hebrew, (another sign for salvation from death)later it took on todays shape which is basically two upright lines and a horizontal over top. In the passover story the Israelites were told to paint their "doorposts and lintels" (the shape of the Tav cross) with blood and the angel of death would "pass over" them and no one in their houses would be killed. All of the firstborn in Egypt were. Another example of the Tav cross and saving from death.
Jesus says this in John 8:44 , before he was going to get stoned by the Jews..Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh of his own:for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The living by the "letter of the law" and strict Law-based belief systems always breeds intolerance and violence. Look at the Muslim extremists today or the Spanish Inquisition.
"Red earth, spirit caught up in matter. The entire bible is about that idea in one shape or another."
A blood sacrifice of Abel's that was good and acceptable to God. Cain's offering was fruit tilled from the ground.
Abel's sacrifice was a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of Jesus the "lamb of God." That was acceptable in God's eyes. Pure Grace. Cain's was the work of his hands. Pure Law. Cause and effect, do good get good ...do evil get evil, .. a result of eating of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. It wasn't acceptable.
There are two Covenants in the bible. The first depended on us doing works. The second depended on one work which Jesus did on the cross. He Died!!! That fulfilled the Old Covenant Law. "It is finished." The work of our hands has nothing to do with salvation. Only belief in that one act of blood sacrifice.
The New Covenant reconciles the fruit of the vine; work of human hands to become the remembrance of the blood that Jesus sacrificed on the cross. I like to believe this considers a reconciliation with whatever the mark of Cain is.
I think the whole Cain and Able story is about the coming (from that point of time) sacrifice at the cross.
The Book of Ezekiel is now explained by God's throne coming upon the earth. What words could Ezekiel use to describe something of uncommunicable language. This is explained quite well today as Ezekiel having a close encounter of third kind. Of course Israel could not believe this prophet especially. But today because of mankind's exploration into outer-space and the vehicles he has designed it becomes a possibility that Ezekiel was doing his best to describe time traveling or extra-dimenstional travelers. Ezekiel understanding fits fine with the book of revelation.
I've heard these ideas, but the same can be said of spiritual things. People use the things other people can understand to relate an unexplainable event. But there are orders of angels that fit the descriptions given by Ezekiel. Thrones, Seraphim (Fiery Serpents), Wheels (Auphinim = wheels), etc.
And like I said the extra-dimentional traveler is fairly new terminology in the UFO field but is exactly what angels have alway been purported to do. They can manifest or unmanifest at will. They can manifest in human form or other forms instantly. Jesus manifested in physical form inside a locked room and ATE with the disciples. Even Don Juan and Genaro could not do that with their dreaming doubles.
Philip baptised the head eunic (sp?) of the queen of Ethiopia and was instantly transported to another place, bodily.
Spiritual experiences are difficult to describe. Jacob saw a ladder with angels ascending and descending upon it.
Joseph wore the coat of many colors.
It was the same experience except that Jacob only saw it, but Joseph wore it. That is because it was promised to his seed after him. The land that Jacob was promised was NOT a geographical place. It is an awareness that we bring with us no matter where we go in this world or the next. "Surely God is in this place and I knew it not."
That is the awareness and the land promised to his seed after him.
Don Juan describes the "Great Bands of Emanations."
I've had the experience and I would say that it is all describing the same experience.
I also believe it describes the experience of the disciples in the upper room at Pentecost.
It is a real spiritual experience that was later promised to Nathanael when Jesus first met him. "Hereafter you shall see angels ascending and descending upon the son of man."
The form these angel take are as "Flames of Fire" which is what the Psalms says angels are. Just as at Pentecost.
Here is a link to a song I just finished writing today about this very subject. It's called Nathanael's Song.
http://www.reverbnation.com/robertmay?p ... ate%3Dtrue
It's very rough, but you'll get the idea.
Anyway, my point is, the things promised to Jacob's seed after him were promised to all believers. The things that the Patriarchs experienced we can too. That is what the early Christians believed. Then their enemies began calling them "Gnostics." Meaning those who wanted spiritual experiences instead of being handed whatever line the "powers that be" wanted them to believe.
If I lived back in the old days I would have a contract out on me.
My teacher called himself a Christian Mystic so I guess that's a good word for what I am,..what I believe. If I was around in about 150 AD, I would have been called Gnostic too.
To start looking for aliens in the bible is to throw away our inheritance. Because spiritual experiences ARE our inheritance. Visions, Prophecy, Visitations, Dreams, and many more things are our inheritance. The thing is until you have an experience you may not even recognise it in the bible. After you have a certain experience you do recognise it.
Do aliens exist? I don't know and don't much care. But that would be a whole different book.
It is not what the bible is about.
Bob
What is the mark was that God placed on Cain after he murdered his brother?
Cain is the carnal side of mankind. The side that represents the Old Covenant which is based on the law mentality.
There was to be a future redemption symbolised by the TAV or "mark" placed on his forehead. Tav is the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet and carries such meanings as signature, seal, covenant, guarantee, etc. It is a promise, basically. Specifically here to prevent Cain's death.
Originally the Tav was the shape of a Christian cross in ancient Hebrew, (another sign for salvation from death)later it took on todays shape which is basically two upright lines and a horizontal over top. In the passover story the Israelites were told to paint their "doorposts and lintels" (the shape of the Tav cross) with blood and the angel of death would "pass over" them and no one in their houses would be killed. All of the firstborn in Egypt were. Another example of the Tav cross and saving from death.
Jesus says this in John 8:44 , before he was going to get stoned by the Jews..Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh of his own:for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The living by the "letter of the law" and strict Law-based belief systems always breeds intolerance and violence. Look at the Muslim extremists today or the Spanish Inquisition.
"Red earth, spirit caught up in matter. The entire bible is about that idea in one shape or another."
A blood sacrifice of Abel's that was good and acceptable to God. Cain's offering was fruit tilled from the ground.
Abel's sacrifice was a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of Jesus the "lamb of God." That was acceptable in God's eyes. Pure Grace. Cain's was the work of his hands. Pure Law. Cause and effect, do good get good ...do evil get evil, .. a result of eating of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. It wasn't acceptable.
There are two Covenants in the bible. The first depended on us doing works. The second depended on one work which Jesus did on the cross. He Died!!! That fulfilled the Old Covenant Law. "It is finished." The work of our hands has nothing to do with salvation. Only belief in that one act of blood sacrifice.
The New Covenant reconciles the fruit of the vine; work of human hands to become the remembrance of the blood that Jesus sacrificed on the cross. I like to believe this considers a reconciliation with whatever the mark of Cain is.
I think the whole Cain and Able story is about the coming (from that point of time) sacrifice at the cross.
The Book of Ezekiel is now explained by God's throne coming upon the earth. What words could Ezekiel use to describe something of uncommunicable language. This is explained quite well today as Ezekiel having a close encounter of third kind. Of course Israel could not believe this prophet especially. But today because of mankind's exploration into outer-space and the vehicles he has designed it becomes a possibility that Ezekiel was doing his best to describe time traveling or extra-dimenstional travelers. Ezekiel understanding fits fine with the book of revelation.
I've heard these ideas, but the same can be said of spiritual things. People use the things other people can understand to relate an unexplainable event. But there are orders of angels that fit the descriptions given by Ezekiel. Thrones, Seraphim (Fiery Serpents), Wheels (Auphinim = wheels), etc.
And like I said the extra-dimentional traveler is fairly new terminology in the UFO field but is exactly what angels have alway been purported to do. They can manifest or unmanifest at will. They can manifest in human form or other forms instantly. Jesus manifested in physical form inside a locked room and ATE with the disciples. Even Don Juan and Genaro could not do that with their dreaming doubles.
Philip baptised the head eunic (sp?) of the queen of Ethiopia and was instantly transported to another place, bodily.
Spiritual experiences are difficult to describe. Jacob saw a ladder with angels ascending and descending upon it.
Joseph wore the coat of many colors.
It was the same experience except that Jacob only saw it, but Joseph wore it. That is because it was promised to his seed after him. The land that Jacob was promised was NOT a geographical place. It is an awareness that we bring with us no matter where we go in this world or the next. "Surely God is in this place and I knew it not."
That is the awareness and the land promised to his seed after him.
Don Juan describes the "Great Bands of Emanations."
I've had the experience and I would say that it is all describing the same experience.
I also believe it describes the experience of the disciples in the upper room at Pentecost.
It is a real spiritual experience that was later promised to Nathanael when Jesus first met him. "Hereafter you shall see angels ascending and descending upon the son of man."
The form these angel take are as "Flames of Fire" which is what the Psalms says angels are. Just as at Pentecost.
Here is a link to a song I just finished writing today about this very subject. It's called Nathanael's Song.
http://www.reverbnation.com/robertmay?p ... ate%3Dtrue
It's very rough, but you'll get the idea.
Anyway, my point is, the things promised to Jacob's seed after him were promised to all believers. The things that the Patriarchs experienced we can too. That is what the early Christians believed. Then their enemies began calling them "Gnostics." Meaning those who wanted spiritual experiences instead of being handed whatever line the "powers that be" wanted them to believe.
If I lived back in the old days I would have a contract out on me.
My teacher called himself a Christian Mystic so I guess that's a good word for what I am,..what I believe. If I was around in about 150 AD, I would have been called Gnostic too.
To start looking for aliens in the bible is to throw away our inheritance. Because spiritual experiences ARE our inheritance. Visions, Prophecy, Visitations, Dreams, and many more things are our inheritance. The thing is until you have an experience you may not even recognise it in the bible. After you have a certain experience you do recognise it.
Do aliens exist? I don't know and don't much care. But that would be a whole different book.
It is not what the bible is about.
Bob