02-24-2008, 12:00 AM
"Consider for a moment that God may be (but not "is")a creation of mankind. If that were the case, we could reasonably expect God to reflect the conditions of mankind."
But if mankind is a creation of God mankind would be expected to reflect at least some of the attributes of the Artist. In the Occult there is a saying; "as above, so below." Not visa versa.
We expect that of human artists don't we? The artist's works reflect the personality and style an beliefs of that artist. This is an example, in my opinion, of using that principle without maybe knowing consciously we are doing it.
If I say I am waiting for the next James Taylor album to come out, for example, I am saying in essence that I like what he creates and his way of looking at the world as reflected in his poetry and music. I am expecting something that I will recognise based upon my past experience with his music.
I do believe in one way we do create God and His creation. It/He is to us as we allow ourselves to imagine It/He to be and no more. In normal consciousness, "tonal" terms.
But, there are spiritual experiences also. These are not limited by our imaginations or past experience. In fact they are so far beyond what we could imagine as to be of another realm. This I have found to be true in practice and also promised in Scripture. "It has not entered into the hearts or minds that which God has in store for his children." So, I find that experience and written knowledge agree one with another. Each confirming the other. I use both and pay attention to both. But not just the Bible.
"I have trouble with that concept these days. In fact, worship was always vague as a feeling. Makes me think of the morbidity of 'fear the Lord'."
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." This verse used to be quoted a lot in my former church. What wasn't said was that it was only the Beginning of it. That Power that we call variously God, Nagual, Spirit etc., is dangerous to approach and contact. It comes with warning signs as it should.
"I had a revelation that Recognition is more appropriate; that Creation is what it is, no way to understand it completely.
There are principles of 'operation' that we must live in harmony with, which could be called 'the Law of God'"
A very good way to look at it. The earth was put on "auto-pilot" in a way. Seeds germinate "after their own kind" as evidenced by relatively recent discoveries in and mapping of DNA.
Another way I have been fond of expressing it is that if I were to jump off a tall building and break my neck, I can't blame God, but must blame my own refusal to recognize how things work here, where I am.
"The exception I have learned lately is that there are other realities with different principles. I don't know how to use them, and until I do, if ever, I act within what I do know. Impeccability is to not take anything fo granted, eh?"
My teacher used to say "a little knowledge is dangerous."
I didn't take his advise one time and did an invokation out of the book "The Greater Keys of Solomon." It was a "good invokation" calling on the various Powers on the Tree of Life. Angels, Archangels, God Names etc.
I had a fearful thought during this operation and immediately found myself in a plane of darkness. Frightening does not come close to descibing what I experienced.
I was not ready for this invocation. My idea of God and the Universe was a bit too "Old Testament." A bit too dependent upon my "worthiness." Fear was the mistake that I made and fear was inevitable because of my idea of what God was. My view of God and my "worthiness" has changed over the years because of study and practice and experience in spiritual things.
So, in a sense, God has changed for me.
The Fear of God must be replace by the Love of God to approach some of the higher realms safely.
"Impeccability is to not take anything fo granted, eh?"
So, gratitude for what we have, even if it is not much, would go a long way towards turning the fear of God/Spirit into the love of God/Spirit.
Worship and thankfulness go hand in hand, I think.Bob
But if mankind is a creation of God mankind would be expected to reflect at least some of the attributes of the Artist. In the Occult there is a saying; "as above, so below." Not visa versa.
We expect that of human artists don't we? The artist's works reflect the personality and style an beliefs of that artist. This is an example, in my opinion, of using that principle without maybe knowing consciously we are doing it.
If I say I am waiting for the next James Taylor album to come out, for example, I am saying in essence that I like what he creates and his way of looking at the world as reflected in his poetry and music. I am expecting something that I will recognise based upon my past experience with his music.
I do believe in one way we do create God and His creation. It/He is to us as we allow ourselves to imagine It/He to be and no more. In normal consciousness, "tonal" terms.
But, there are spiritual experiences also. These are not limited by our imaginations or past experience. In fact they are so far beyond what we could imagine as to be of another realm. This I have found to be true in practice and also promised in Scripture. "It has not entered into the hearts or minds that which God has in store for his children." So, I find that experience and written knowledge agree one with another. Each confirming the other. I use both and pay attention to both. But not just the Bible.
"I have trouble with that concept these days. In fact, worship was always vague as a feeling. Makes me think of the morbidity of 'fear the Lord'."
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." This verse used to be quoted a lot in my former church. What wasn't said was that it was only the Beginning of it. That Power that we call variously God, Nagual, Spirit etc., is dangerous to approach and contact. It comes with warning signs as it should.
"I had a revelation that Recognition is more appropriate; that Creation is what it is, no way to understand it completely.
There are principles of 'operation' that we must live in harmony with, which could be called 'the Law of God'"
A very good way to look at it. The earth was put on "auto-pilot" in a way. Seeds germinate "after their own kind" as evidenced by relatively recent discoveries in and mapping of DNA.
Another way I have been fond of expressing it is that if I were to jump off a tall building and break my neck, I can't blame God, but must blame my own refusal to recognize how things work here, where I am.
"The exception I have learned lately is that there are other realities with different principles. I don't know how to use them, and until I do, if ever, I act within what I do know. Impeccability is to not take anything fo granted, eh?"
My teacher used to say "a little knowledge is dangerous."
I didn't take his advise one time and did an invokation out of the book "The Greater Keys of Solomon." It was a "good invokation" calling on the various Powers on the Tree of Life. Angels, Archangels, God Names etc.
I had a fearful thought during this operation and immediately found myself in a plane of darkness. Frightening does not come close to descibing what I experienced.
I was not ready for this invocation. My idea of God and the Universe was a bit too "Old Testament." A bit too dependent upon my "worthiness." Fear was the mistake that I made and fear was inevitable because of my idea of what God was. My view of God and my "worthiness" has changed over the years because of study and practice and experience in spiritual things.
So, in a sense, God has changed for me.
The Fear of God must be replace by the Love of God to approach some of the higher realms safely.
"Impeccability is to not take anything fo granted, eh?"
So, gratitude for what we have, even if it is not much, would go a long way towards turning the fear of God/Spirit into the love of God/Spirit.
Worship and thankfulness go hand in hand, I think.Bob