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Nagarjuna, Zen and Dzogchen
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Analyzing,
even analyzing emptiness, is nevertheless still illusion. Getting
attached, even getting attached to a deity, is still slavery. Thinking,
even thinking of Dharmakaya, is judging. Meditating, even meditating on
the absence of thought, is still conceptualizing! Dagnyidma.
What is it in these words that impact Nagarjuna so? Their significance might be harder for Zen to appreciate than Tantra, because Zen does not have a deep understanding of the aspects or qualities of emptiness and does not recognized the Kayas of Buddha.
So the analyzing of emptiness first mentioned by Dagnyidma references Madhyamika like schools, (zen) focused of emptiness and renunciation. Relates to Nirmanakaya expression.  BODY
Getting attached to a deity, references the more advanced practice of transformation and Tantra. Relates to Sambhogakaya.  VOICE
And finally the more advanced practices of Anuyoga focusing on Dharmakaya, absence and space etc of course relate to Dharmakaya.  MIND
Nagarjuna would have been familiar with with all these practices (causes),  their achievements (effects), their aspects and how they relate. For Dagnyidma to condense all this so succinctly pointed to a wisdom beyond these teachings of cause and effect. That apparently was enough for Nagarjuna and he was loosed into the deep relaxation of effortlessness concerning the primordial state. The impact for Nagarjuna was so profound because he was so prepared.
Understanding what these three kayas are is very rewarding and fruitful and indispensable to awareness of the primordial state. The three Kayas and their teachings are rejected by Zen.
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