06-04-2010, 12:00 AM
Can't recall I told you I got a definite idea of what that is that can't
be named.
Well yes, yes you did. You might not know exactly what it is you are referring to, but you have a very definite idea that it exists and that it is different from you at present and that you can become that which you imagine.
I think most of us are aware of the limitation of words.
To become 'that' whatever it is, is for me a Realization of 'something'
and its absurd to describe it.
Yes I believe we can 'become what can
not be named' MS
When you speak like this it reminds me of born again Christians when pressed for justification for their beliefs sooner or later play the faith card. It would be more helpful if you would describe not what it is (which you have stated cannot be done and would be absurd to even try) but why you believe you can become that which cannot be named and let us examine it together.
I am reminded that I am surrounded by Infinity...MS
This suggests a subject that is surrounded by an object called infinity. This is an assertion of a subject and an object. This is how you are expressing your experience of being.
Zen considers both these poles of experience illusory and assertions affirming such things delusional. I only point this out because after all this thread is called ZEN MAGNETIC. I am assuming this thread is sympathetic to Zen and an appropriate place to speak of such things and explore the implications involved. If the implications of Zen are offensive to your beliefs I understand. The radical appreciation of awareness expressed by Zen is very dry!
Lex why are you here?MS
I received an email from Wolf inviting me to this new thread as I assume many were informed in like manner of this Zen Magnetic. From there I felt drawn to participate. Zen Magnetic I guess. If you could, allay your suspicions. I do not have an agenda that I am aware of.
Lex
be named.
Well yes, yes you did. You might not know exactly what it is you are referring to, but you have a very definite idea that it exists and that it is different from you at present and that you can become that which you imagine.
I think most of us are aware of the limitation of words.
To become 'that' whatever it is, is for me a Realization of 'something'
and its absurd to describe it.
Yes I believe we can 'become what can
not be named' MS
When you speak like this it reminds me of born again Christians when pressed for justification for their beliefs sooner or later play the faith card. It would be more helpful if you would describe not what it is (which you have stated cannot be done and would be absurd to even try) but why you believe you can become that which cannot be named and let us examine it together.
I am reminded that I am surrounded by Infinity...MS
This suggests a subject that is surrounded by an object called infinity. This is an assertion of a subject and an object. This is how you are expressing your experience of being.
Zen considers both these poles of experience illusory and assertions affirming such things delusional. I only point this out because after all this thread is called ZEN MAGNETIC. I am assuming this thread is sympathetic to Zen and an appropriate place to speak of such things and explore the implications involved. If the implications of Zen are offensive to your beliefs I understand. The radical appreciation of awareness expressed by Zen is very dry!
Lex why are you here?MS
I received an email from Wolf inviting me to this new thread as I assume many were informed in like manner of this Zen Magnetic. From there I felt drawn to participate. Zen Magnetic I guess. If you could, allay your suspicions. I do not have an agenda that I am aware of.
Lex