06-22-2010, 12:01 AM
Gonzo wrote
Tiff
Would you say your understanding, as difficult as it seems to be to put into words, could mean you have achieved enlightenment?
No, just that I got beyond the logic that stood in the way of seeing how things are. Its enlightening yes, but its not an achievement becasue it was available all the time, its just how things are. The achievement I suppose is to see this by overcoming the challnges to it, so in that sense, yes. But to be more accurate I would say I was already enlightened and just didn't know it before. And that everything is enlightened whether every-thing each sees it as such or not.
Its erroneous to say "I am enlightened in a world of unenlightened beings". This perception will always mislead, because it's not true. Because enlightenment is not a thing to be. If it were just a thing among many other things, what would be enlightening about it?
TiffWould you say your understanding, as difficult as it seems to be to put into words, could mean you have achieved enlightenment?
No, just that I got beyond the logic that stood in the way of seeing how things are. Its enlightening yes, but its not an achievement becasue it was available all the time, its just how things are. The achievement I suppose is to see this by overcoming the challnges to it, so in that sense, yes. But to be more accurate I would say I was already enlightened and just didn't know it before. And that everything is enlightened whether every-thing each sees it as such or not.
Its erroneous to say "I am enlightened in a world of unenlightened beings". This perception will always mislead, because it's not true. Because enlightenment is not a thing to be. If it were just a thing among many other things, what would be enlightening about it?