06-27-2010, 12:01 AM
lex icon wrote:We have no trouble feeling objects. It is precisely this feel of objects as distinct that fosters the implication of a "feeler" the one "doing" the feeling and concluding a separation of feeler, felt and feeling. It is not as if the internal dialogue needs to recede in order to experience this. I would think it is quite the opposite. Still not sure what you mean by "certain point" as a point when internal dialogue recedes in order to see a separation and its relevance here.
So here is where we differ Lex, my experience is that the internal dialogue recedes and my body engages the emanations at large
So many points need clarifying.
The entire body of a seer senses the Eagle. Does it? Yes
man need only revert back to his
components. What are these components? Oh yes they are Eagles emanations...neither of which according to DJ exist. If these components referred to by DJ are the aggregates referenced by Buddhism then we can can be more precise about what we are talking about
First, referring to an out there implies in here. DJ has come up against the farthest limits of this imagined "internal". This is the moment when both perspectives should collapse. Instead he establishes an unfathomable mystery that no living creature can grasp. What is a "living creature"? Is this the same as a sentient being referenced by Buddhism. Buddhism sees sentient beings as trapped within cyclic existence. For DJ he is surrounded by a magical and mysterious universe (existence). So really we get no help from DJ here. He only seems to obscure and muddy the waters further and accepts as paramount.
I believe DJ was referencing out there from a third perspective, that does not imply an in here. Secondly you are mixing Buddhism with a system that does its best to not get into karmic references.
What we have been trying to introduce in this thread is what lies beyond these notions of existence, notions both crude and refined. In order to do this we must see how our notions of existence are formed. Once we are aware of this, existence can no longer obscure awareness.
Notions of existance are formed in the world of the first attention. Lex have you read the The Six Explanatory Propositions?
So here is where we differ Lex, my experience is that the internal dialogue recedes and my body engages the emanations at large
So many points need clarifying.
The entire body of a seer senses the Eagle. Does it? Yes
man need only revert back to his
components. What are these components? Oh yes they are Eagles emanations...neither of which according to DJ exist. If these components referred to by DJ are the aggregates referenced by Buddhism then we can can be more precise about what we are talking about
First, referring to an out there implies in here. DJ has come up against the farthest limits of this imagined "internal". This is the moment when both perspectives should collapse. Instead he establishes an unfathomable mystery that no living creature can grasp. What is a "living creature"? Is this the same as a sentient being referenced by Buddhism. Buddhism sees sentient beings as trapped within cyclic existence. For DJ he is surrounded by a magical and mysterious universe (existence). So really we get no help from DJ here. He only seems to obscure and muddy the waters further and accepts as paramount.
I believe DJ was referencing out there from a third perspective, that does not imply an in here. Secondly you are mixing Buddhism with a system that does its best to not get into karmic references.
What we have been trying to introduce in this thread is what lies beyond these notions of existence, notions both crude and refined. In order to do this we must see how our notions of existence are formed. Once we are aware of this, existence can no longer obscure awareness.
Notions of existance are formed in the world of the first attention. Lex have you read the The Six Explanatory Propositions?