06-30-2010, 12:01 AM
The Art of Stalking Parallel Perception- Zakai:
“Before these universes existed there was nothing but a void
and wherever the void stood within itself it was at its center. From
this intangible center it discovered it could bring expression into its
expressionlessness, and it made a sound like water dropping into a
pond. Upon that discovery the eternal force of that void turned and
converged on that one single point from all directions. The pressure
of that implosion became so intense and the sound became so
compressed that it transformed into matter; then from that
compressed point an explosion of light occurred. This is how it all
began, and know that wherever we stand within our living construct
whether it be here or ten million light years away on a distant star, we
still stand within the center of that universal void. That centralized
pivot will always be there for every sentient being, whether the
experience be physical or of luminosity; or of an inverted universal
phenomenon beyond our comprehension.
Someone might ask, "Are permanent phenomena such as unobstructed space and emptiness itself, also dependent, or do they exist inherently?" They, too, are dependent. While they do not depend on causes and conditions because they are permanent phenomena, they do depend on parts, concept and label, and other phenomena. For example, a table and the table's emptiness of true exisitence depend on each other. The table's emptiness cannot exist if the table doesn't exist. Furthermore, just as a table exists by begin merely labeled by the mind, so does emptiness itself. Emptiness does not have its own absolute, independent entity.~ Thubten Chodron, Tara the LiberatorIf emptiness could "discover it could bring expression into its expressionlessness" its not emptiness we are talking about here. Because thought discovers, and expression requires phenomena (expresionlessness can't express!) so phenomena has to be dependently arisen with emptiness, emptiness cannot stand alone. Can't stand at all...has no legs. Has...nothing, not even thought.
Also, how could there be a time before universes existed? This would be first cause, belief in god. God then would create the universe. In this case, (from the AOSPP) god would be the void.
“Before these universes existed there was nothing but a void
and wherever the void stood within itself it was at its center. From
this intangible center it discovered it could bring expression into its
expressionlessness, and it made a sound like water dropping into a
pond. Upon that discovery the eternal force of that void turned and
converged on that one single point from all directions. The pressure
of that implosion became so intense and the sound became so
compressed that it transformed into matter; then from that
compressed point an explosion of light occurred. This is how it all
began, and know that wherever we stand within our living construct
whether it be here or ten million light years away on a distant star, we
still stand within the center of that universal void. That centralized
pivot will always be there for every sentient being, whether the
experience be physical or of luminosity; or of an inverted universal
phenomenon beyond our comprehension.
Someone might ask, "Are permanent phenomena such as unobstructed space and emptiness itself, also dependent, or do they exist inherently?" They, too, are dependent. While they do not depend on causes and conditions because they are permanent phenomena, they do depend on parts, concept and label, and other phenomena. For example, a table and the table's emptiness of true exisitence depend on each other. The table's emptiness cannot exist if the table doesn't exist. Furthermore, just as a table exists by begin merely labeled by the mind, so does emptiness itself. Emptiness does not have its own absolute, independent entity.~ Thubten Chodron, Tara the LiberatorIf emptiness could "discover it could bring expression into its expressionlessness" its not emptiness we are talking about here. Because thought discovers, and expression requires phenomena (expresionlessness can't express!) so phenomena has to be dependently arisen with emptiness, emptiness cannot stand alone. Can't stand at all...has no legs. Has...nothing, not even thought.
Also, how could there be a time before universes existed? This would be first cause, belief in god. God then would create the universe. In this case, (from the AOSPP) god would be the void.