07-04-2010, 12:02 AM
Most people are so stuck in their beliefs that no matter what
you say, what proofs you offer, no matter how true or right you are most
people will not change beliefs, even if those beliefs are erroneous and
false. But people can hold conflicting or totally opposite beliefs and
still both be in truth as far as their underlying understanding and
knowing of truth. You cannot make another person believe in God; what I
say are just my thoughts and part of it is just to experience and
express but also for others who may be reading who do believe in God,
for their edification. Asiris
Asiris,
You say you believe in God and that's ok. I would say but why? But I do not really expect an answer because I do not believe you have even delved into the question. So they are as you say "just your thoughts", and I say unexplored thoughts.
"God is self-created, ie. eternal." Asiris
Really??? God is self-created and how would you know this?
Eternal? What is eternal? Some would say it is that which lasts forever and continues without end. But if you have been following this thread we have been considering that which has no beginning as in "never began" therefore cannot persist even for a millisecond and certainly cannot end, especially if it never began to begin with, so the idea of it lasing indefinitely is redundant!
If God was self-CREATED as you suggest, then this requires a beginning. If God began (even if self created) then there is a beginning and then we have to account for whatever was before that imagined beginning, began.
you say, what proofs you offer, no matter how true or right you are most
people will not change beliefs, even if those beliefs are erroneous and
false. But people can hold conflicting or totally opposite beliefs and
still both be in truth as far as their underlying understanding and
knowing of truth. You cannot make another person believe in God; what I
say are just my thoughts and part of it is just to experience and
express but also for others who may be reading who do believe in God,
for their edification. Asiris
Asiris,
You say you believe in God and that's ok. I would say but why? But I do not really expect an answer because I do not believe you have even delved into the question. So they are as you say "just your thoughts", and I say unexplored thoughts.
"God is self-created, ie. eternal." Asiris
Really??? God is self-created and how would you know this?
Eternal? What is eternal? Some would say it is that which lasts forever and continues without end. But if you have been following this thread we have been considering that which has no beginning as in "never began" therefore cannot persist even for a millisecond and certainly cannot end, especially if it never began to begin with, so the idea of it lasing indefinitely is redundant!
If God was self-CREATED as you suggest, then this requires a beginning. If God began (even if self created) then there is a beginning and then we have to account for whatever was before that imagined beginning, began.