07-04-2010, 12:02 AM
ninth octave wrote:Maybe see about reading the Urantia Book? You can google it and read it online for free.
All the book does is say god is the answer to the mystery. That would be taking the mystery out of mystery wouldn't it?
"Why is everything the way it is? God made it, god makes everything happen. God's the mystery. Mystery solved. Now all I have to do is have faith in god."
Hey Gonzo, maybe this is what you meant about taking away responsibility? But I actually took what you meant as responsiblity of self-actions. But anyway, the above does take away responsibility to examine reality, doesn't it? Which explains why Lex and I repeat ourselves here and no matter how much we disprove the logic of god, faithful people keep on as if we've said absolutely nothing, lol.
Ok, I will try a different approach. Ninth, lets use your logic and follow it to conclusion. If god wants you to realize him in you, and you have the divine spark of god in you so you can do this, then you are god! And if you are god, then no one created you (you 're god just realize it) so god never existed separate from you to begin with because from the very start you were god. (still following your logic) This is really just like the eagle's emanations excerpt.
So yes, I'm suggesting you consider yourself god right now, because after all, your own belief says the kingdom of god is within you, so if it is, you must be god, otherwise you cannot realize what you are not. So there's no god vs individual, all is god if you are god to begin with. So you have no creator of you, god was always you. Now of course there's still the loophole of self-created. Which I refer to Lex's post on eternal. Never began, cannot endure, or end. So can't be self-created.
So lets recap. God didn't create you, you already had god,...or maybe think of it like this, god is god is god, no matter how many times he duplicated himself, always he got the output of himself, god, which is also you. Because if he's a being from the beginning an there was nothing to begin with but him, he can only produce what he is and so whatever he creates is him (granted Nagarjuna proves a being cannot create, but this examination is trying to give some allowance for a religious theory of "creator" to be fully unfolded).
So, now the final summation...you are god but are not self-created (Lex's post) since there is no beginning of which to create "self" nor a time before this when there is uncreated-beingness (how can uncreated "be"?). So no-being, essencelessness, its the only possibity. No-essence, no god, no inherent you.
All the book does is say god is the answer to the mystery. That would be taking the mystery out of mystery wouldn't it?
"Why is everything the way it is? God made it, god makes everything happen. God's the mystery. Mystery solved. Now all I have to do is have faith in god."
Hey Gonzo, maybe this is what you meant about taking away responsibility? But I actually took what you meant as responsiblity of self-actions. But anyway, the above does take away responsibility to examine reality, doesn't it? Which explains why Lex and I repeat ourselves here and no matter how much we disprove the logic of god, faithful people keep on as if we've said absolutely nothing, lol.
Ok, I will try a different approach. Ninth, lets use your logic and follow it to conclusion. If god wants you to realize him in you, and you have the divine spark of god in you so you can do this, then you are god! And if you are god, then no one created you (you 're god just realize it) so god never existed separate from you to begin with because from the very start you were god. (still following your logic) This is really just like the eagle's emanations excerpt.
So yes, I'm suggesting you consider yourself god right now, because after all, your own belief says the kingdom of god is within you, so if it is, you must be god, otherwise you cannot realize what you are not. So there's no god vs individual, all is god if you are god to begin with. So you have no creator of you, god was always you. Now of course there's still the loophole of self-created. Which I refer to Lex's post on eternal. Never began, cannot endure, or end. So can't be self-created.
So lets recap. God didn't create you, you already had god,...or maybe think of it like this, god is god is god, no matter how many times he duplicated himself, always he got the output of himself, god, which is also you. Because if he's a being from the beginning an there was nothing to begin with but him, he can only produce what he is and so whatever he creates is him (granted Nagarjuna proves a being cannot create, but this examination is trying to give some allowance for a religious theory of "creator" to be fully unfolded).
So, now the final summation...you are god but are not self-created (Lex's post) since there is no beginning of which to create "self" nor a time before this when there is uncreated-beingness (how can uncreated "be"?). So no-being, essencelessness, its the only possibity. No-essence, no god, no inherent you.